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Reqular Meetinq Planninq Commission
September 30. 1986
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Chairman Welton Anderson called the meeting to order at 5:05 p.m.
with members Al Blomquist, Jim Colombo, Roger Hunt, Jasmine Tygre
and David White present.
COMMISSIONERS COMMENTS
1. Jasmine Tygre noted that employee housing in growth
management applications is scored by percentage of employees
housed, rather than on-site and off-site proposals. Ms Tygre
said she is concerned about the adequacy of the cash-in-lieu
payment for employee housing, considering the cost of available
employee housing. One applicant is paying $70,000 to house 3.68
employees. The cheapest one-bedroom Centennial unit is $79,500
which is $40,000 per employee and the cash-in-lieu amounts may
not be adequate. Ms. Tygre said in growth management
applications, the applicants are relying on the city to build the
employee housing and occupancy of the building cannot be made
contingent upon housing provided by the city. Sunny Vann pointed
out the reason cash-in-lieu was adopted was not necessarily to
build new units. There are other programs available, like
mortgage subsidy. The housing authority reviews proposals to see
if they are appropriate for the current circumstances. The
housing authority adjusts the payment per employee on an annual
basis.
2. Anderson said he received a letter from Gideon Kaufman
concerning rezoning a parcel up by the Aspen Alps zoned C,
conservation. Kaufman said he would like the Commission to
sponsor this rezoning request. Anderson said the Commission will
consider this at the end of the meeting.
HUNTER PLAZA CC/C-l COMMERCIAL GMP SCORING AND PUBLIC HEARING
Steve Burstein, planning office, told the P & Z this proposed
retail project is located on the northeast corner of Hunter and
Cooper to replace the Palazzi service station. This will contain
12,875 square feet of commercial space, of which 4,740 square
feet is reconstructed space. The applicants are proposing a
cash-in-lieu payment to house 9.2 employees. Burstein told the
Commission staff has calculated the 1986 commercial quota, which
exceeds the total requested square footage of these three
applications. There is 14,813 in the quota and 14,269 square
feet are being requested.
Burstein said staff scored this project in architectural design
2.5 points, which exceeds the acceptable design. The bay window
store fronts are attractive to the street scape. The recessed
second floor and low height at 28 feet, instead of the allowable
40 feet, are positive aspects and will reduce the perception of
the bulk of the project. This building compliments the Aspen
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Square and Aspen Chateau buildings. The materials are also
compatible. In site design the project scored 2 points. They
are providing the required 25 percent open space with a courtyard
and with 10 feet setbacks from Cooper avenue. These are usable
spaces and will provide pedestrian movement. Burstein said staff
feels the service area is usable; however, nothing special has
been done to design it to operate more efficiently.
In the energy category, the Roaring Fork Energy Center reviewed
and gave a fairly high evaluation for insulation, solar energy
and high efficiency gas boiler. Some aspects of energy could not
be could not be evaluated. This scored a 2.5
The amenities are good but standard and staff recommended 2
points for the snowmelt courtyard, benches and bike racks.
Burstein recommended 3 points in the visual impact category as
the building is stepped back from Hunter street and provides a
good view of Aspen mountain. Burstein noted most of the other
areas are standard. The storm drainage category received 1 point
because they are decreasing but not entirely eliminating the
historic water runoff. The parking category also received 1
point. 8 on-street parking spaces will be gained by eliminating
the existing curb cuts. However, this plan does not provide on-
site parking that may be in excess of the demands of this project
and is not improving the service in this area. The employee
housing category is a formula, which works out to 10 points.
Hunt said he feels this building is not adequately designed to
accommodate a restaurant with the service access. Hunt said if a
restaurant comes in for conditional use hearing, he would be
hesitant to approve that type of use.
Larry Yaw, representing the applicant, said they feel they have a
good project and do feel some categories merit upgraded scoring
by the Commission. Yaw told the Commission he feels relative to
the stated criteria in the growth management plan, this project
has exceeded the average in architectural design and requested
the commission score this 3 points. The criteria in this section
is compatibility of the project with the existing neighborhood in
size, height, location of building, and materials. Yaw said the
building has been carefully and specifically designed to maximize
the site. Yaw said the allowable FAR with bonus is 1.5:1. this
building is 1:1 in order to reduce the bulk and mass. Yaw
pointed out the FAR has been distributed so that at all street
perimeters this is a one-story building with the mass
concentrated on the back of the site and a setback 20 feet off
Cooper street. Yaw demonstrated how they designed around Ozzie's
shoes and the potential future development of that site.
Yaw noted the open space has been designed to define the
streetscape and to encourage pedestrian movements. Yaw pointed
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out an additional usable, pedestrian open space of 2200 square
feet on the second level. Yaw illustrated on the model what the
design has done to reduce the perceived mass along Cooper street.
The design has used bay windows and columns to break up the
facade. Yaw told the Commission the allowable height level is 40
feet; this building's height is between 17 and 28 feet high.
Yaw pointed out the service access and how the materials and
trash will circulate. Yaw told the Commission 80 percent of the
building is south and southwest facing. Yaw said the roof will
be landscaped, as an amenity to the neighbors. Yaw requested the
Commission consider scoring the architecture design 3 points.
Hunt asked about a restaurant use in this building. Sunny Vann,
representing the applicant, answered this building is anticipated
for uses permitted in the C-l zone. Vann said there are no plans
for a restaurant. In the event a restaurant were to go in this
building, a conditional use application would have to be filed
and heard by the P & Z. Hunt said he feels the building is not
designed to have adequate service to a restaurant. Hunt said his
GMP scoring of this project will be as if a restaurant use were
moot. Hunt said if a restaurant does come up for a conditional
use hearing, he will require the service be upgraded.
Yaw told the Commission in site design, the planning office
scored this a 2.0 and the applicants believe it merits a score of
3.0. Yaw said the criteria of landscape and open space,
undergrounding of utilities and efficiency of circulation and
increase of safety and pr ivacy are reasons for this score. Yaw
said they feel the election to use one story is an important site
design factor, and the second story has been placed to create
usable open space. There will be direct alley access to alley
part s of the bu ild ing. Yaw poi nted out all the ground floor
surfaces are snowmelted, which is an important safety feature and
an above average feature. Yaw said the enriched paving feature
is also above average. The project has a great deal of
landscaping, including benches, a water feature which creates an
acoustic envelope in the courtyard.
Yaw said the energy category was scored 2.5 pointed by the staff
and the applicant feels it merits 3 points. Yaw pointed out the
daylighting feature which is a detail above the bay window to let
in natural light and reduce the need for electric lighting. Yaw
told P & Z they are using a 96 percent efficient boiler. Yaw
noted in amenities category, the staff scored the project 2
points, and the applicant believes the project to be in excess of
an average project. There is an excess of usability and
distribution of open space, the umbrella concept of the
landscaping, the water feature, the decorative hard surfaces, the
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Vann told the Commission the trash and utility access area is
approved under a separate special review for reduction of that
area. Vann presented a blowup of the trash and utilities area,
which is 25 feet. The code requirement is 20 feet per 6,000
square feet of building and 5 additional feet for each additional
6,000 square feet. The building totals 12,835 square feet and
technically needs an additional 5 feet of trash and utility area
for the additional 800 square feet, which represents less than 15
percent of that requirement. Vann pointed out there is ample
room for 3 two-cubic yard dumpsters. Vann told P & z their
calculations indicate the need for 2-1/2 dumpsters. Vann said
the applicants operate a similar building of 27,000 square feet
and never use more than 3 dumpsters. The applicant believes that
2 dumpsters will be adequate; however, they do have room for 3
plus the required meter storage as well as an unobstructed 5 foot
access off the rear of the alley. Vann said they do not feel
there are conflicts in the design of the service area, and the
score is probably inappropriate. Vann noted the staff suggested
the need for a compactor in this area. Vann said the CCLC would
like to see the community in general use trash compactors to
reduce the mess in the alleys. This was not intended to be a
condition of approval of this application, and they would like
not to be scored down on this condition.
Vann said in the availability of public facilities and services,
there are 3 areas they would request a higher score. Vann said
the criteria for scoring is a 0 if the project requires provision
of new services; 1 if the project may be handled by existing
services, and 2 points if the project itself improves the quality
of service. Water and sewer there are no improvements, and a
score of 1 is appropriate. In the areas of public
transportation, storm drainage and parking, the applicant
believes the projects improves the quality of service in the site
area. The current operation of a gas station is non-conforming
use in the zone and creates traffic congestion and pedestrian
conflicts. Vann stated this project removes the curb cuts and
enhances the circulation, and therefore improves the quality of
service and 2 points would be appropriate.
Vann told the Commission the requirement in storm drainage is
that a project cannot discharge more than its existing historic
runoff. Vann stated all the runoff originating from the building
and open space area will be retained on site. The only runoff
that leaves is that between the property line and the street.
Vann said they feel a portion of that runoff will be intercepted
by the tree wells and landscaping; however, the quantity of that
will be less than the current runoff. The quality of that runoff
will be enhanced due to the elimination of the gas station use.
Vann said the upgrading of the runoff system should deserve 2
points.
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Vann reminded the Commission there is no requirement for parking
in the CC zone district, and it seems inappropriate to penal ize
an applicant for not providing parking. This project eliminates
curb cuts and traffic congestion and adds 8 on-street parking
places, which benefits the entire downtown community. Vann said
this situation should warrant 2 points. Vann told the P & Z he
feels this project does warrants bonus points because it has
eliminated a non-conforming use, has increased on-street parking,
enhanced the storm drainage system, increased pedestrian
circulation, building set back on Cooper street, proposed less
than the allowable FAR, has reduced the bulk of the second floor,
provided extensive landscaping and open space, resulting in an
excellent project. Alan Richman, planning director, told the
Commission 2 points in the parking category would be improvements
to the neighborhood.
Anderson opened the public hearing.
Bob Zupancis, Ozzie's Shoes, told P & Z the applicants have
worked hard to have the least amount of impact on this adjacent
building. Jim Palazzi, Texaco owner, said Texaco is selling all
their gas stations in rural areas. Palazzi acquired the
property; it is too expensive to operate as a gas station, so it
was sold.
Anderson closed the public hearing.
Burstein pointed out the trash design did get 2 points. Hunt
pointed out essentially all service access on the ground floor is
through the passage way, which is not a good design. Hunt said
he does not want to see a restaurant on a second floor being
serviced from the street. Hunt said he feels unless a restaurant
has direct alley access, it should not be given conditional use.
NATURE STOREHOUSE CC/C-l COMMERCIAL GMP SCORING AND PUBLIC
HEARING
Steve Burstein, planning office, told the Commission this is
located on Galena street in the building presently occupied by
Little Cliff's bakery. The project will be mixed uses with a
bakery, restaurant, and office space for a total of 4,497 square
feet FAR of 1.5:1. The height will be 33 feet. Burstein told the
P & Z, staff recommends 2.5 score in the architectural design.
The Victor ian elements echo and compl iment the neighborhood and
the streetscape. The applicant is committing to brick the east
facade on the Thrift shop. In site design, staff is recommending
2.5 points, looking at the quality of the diagonal open space for
restaurant use and the proposed open space use outside the
bakery. The service entrance off the alley is well designed.
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The energy referral is that this is a standard energy design and
received 2 points. Burstein said the amenities are fairly
standard. The visual impact is reasonable and no maj or publ ic
views are being impacted. Both those areas received 2 points.
The applicants are reqeusting to reduce the trash and utility
area. Staff agreed what the applicants propose seems adequate,
and suggested 2 points. Burstein told P & z in the area of
water, the applicant proposed to install a fire hydrant on the
corner; the fire marshal has reviewed this, feels it is a good
commitment and would service the area. Burstein recommended this
be scored 2 points rather than 1. The sewer and road categories
are fairly standard. The storm drainage commitment is that
virtually all runoff will be retained on site. The applicants
have stated 100 percent will be retained; if so, the scoring
should be 2 points.
Perry Harvey, representing the applicant, presented a model which
has received final approval from HPC. Harvey told the Commission
this building will be the permanent home for Nature Storehouse, a
14 year old local business providing a needed service. Harvey
presented petitions with 425 signatures in support of this
business. Harvey told the Commission the applicants designed the
building trying to incorporate Little Cl iff's bakery as tenants
however, this did not work out. Harvey said it is important to
have a long term, local natural food store at the entrance to
Galena street.
Harvey said this is a critical site, and the design was governed
by 3 elements, the use, the site and the street. There is an
atmosphere of a general store, a lot of interaction, and a
proposed outdoor dining site. Harvey pointed out the building is
33 feet high, in a zone that allows 40 feet. There are 3
separate masses to break up the building because of the size of
the site. There is a 45 degree angle entrance on the south
corner. Harvey pointed out the elements on the proposed building
that echo other buildings up Galena street.
Harvey told the Commission the applicants have committed to
installing a fire hydrant at the intersection of Galena and
Hopkins and should receive 2 points in the water and fire
category because they are upgrading the system. Harvey said the
proposed project will retain 100 percent of the storm runoff on
the property and should receive 2 points in this category.
Harvey showed in the model where the Thrift Shop will protrude on
the south part of the site. The applicant is committed to fixing
this part of the site but is not sure that bricking it is the
answer and is still working on the solution. Harvey presented a
letter about the R factors of this building, showing they are all
above the Uniform Building Code requirements. Harvey told the
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Commission there are no overhangs to effect the solar gain of the
building. Harvey said he feels this is a sensitive design to
house a valuable local business.
Anderson opened the public hearing.
Bill Little, Little Cliff's Bakery, told the Commission, the
applicant has been very supportive, gave the bakery time to move,
and he is in support of this application. Terry Badger,
appl icant, told the Commission the design of the building goes
along with natural foods, which is a service to this town and the
town people patronize the business more and more.
Anderson closed the public hearing.
Colombo said he is concerned about the north side of the building
as viewed from the corner. Hunt said the applicant might
consider reversing the trash area and the stairway. Bruce
Sutherland, representing the applicant, reiterated that the site
plan and architectural design should warrant 3 points each.
Burstein told the Commission employee housing is a formula and
received 9.75 points. Harvey said the applicants would like a
special review for use of open space as dining area.
PITKIN CENTER CC/C-l COMMERCIAL GMP SCORING AND PUBLIC HEARING
Steve Burstein, planning office, said this is located at 520 East
Hyman and is a three-story commercial building with commercial,
office and residential uses. Two free market accessory units and
4 on-site employee studios are proposed for this project.
Burstein said the FAR of the proposed structure is 2:1 using the
bonus available for on-site employee housing, with a total square
footage of 12,800. The planning office recommends a score of 2.5
in architectural design. The structure is stepped back on Hyman
street to create a reduced bulk. The materials to be used are
good design features and should compliment the neighborhood.
Burstein recommended 2 points in the site design category. The
25 percent open space is met by the south facing court yard.
Burstein told the Commission the staff is concerned about the
quality of the space and the quality of the landscaping. There
is a problem with service access in the alley currently, and the
applicant has not proposed any special provision for getting
trucks into the area. Burstein pointed out staff recommends 3
points in the energy category on referral from the Roaring Fork
Energy Center. The trash and utilities area meets the standards
of the code and received 2 points. Visual impacts category
received 2 points; the structure is not out of character nor are
any public views obstructed. Water and sewer provisions are
standard and 1 point is recommended. Burstein told the
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Commission staff recommends 2 points in storm drainage because
they have proposed to retain all storm drainage on-site.
Burstein said there is a problem with the parking proposal; both
engineering and planning feel the parking is inadequate and will
put additional burden on surrounding streets. In the employee
housing category, staff recommends 10.4 points for 4 studio
employee units housing 45 percent of the employees.
Bill poss, representing the applicant, told the Commission a lot
of planning has gone into the orientation of the building. It
has been stepped back to create a usable open space. The
building has been oriented to be sympathetic to the Pitkin County
bank building as well as the Elk's and Mason and Morse building.
Poss pointed out another reason for the building's orientation is
to take advantage of a 10 foot planting strip existing next to
the bank, which will add visually to the open space. Poss showed
the proposed landscape canopy of aspen trees which will create an
urban seating area as well as create a barrier to pedestrian and
vehicular traffic. Bike racks will be provided on the property
for residents and public.
poss noted in the amenities category the design of the courtyard
and the association with a planting strip creates an usable
amenity by the public. Poss said the mid-block link ties in with
the adjacent building to the north and is an amenity. Poss told
P & z the applicant is providing the required trash and utility
area of 250 square feet, which is paved and will be screened by a
brick wall. Poss said if compactors are used, the trash size
could be reduced and used as a service yard for other uses. Poss
told the Commission the housing in this building is accessory to
the other uses. The main premise is that housing in the downtown
core areas is for employees who do not wish to have cars, and are
close to their work and public transportation. poss pointed out
there are 17 employee units approved under the GMP process which
have not provided any parking. This building is providing two
spaces, which does improve the area and does benefits the
project. Poss reminded the P & z the Code does not require
parking in the CC zone. Poss said he feels this project does
benefits the city and does warrant bonus points with the creation
of the courtyard and block link, the stepping of the design, and
use of materials. Hunt said the drawings indicate a restaurant
use on the second floor with the only access a stairway. Poss
indicated they would install a dumb waiter or a separate elevator
if a restaurant were to go into the building. Hunt said he would
like the applicant to insure, if there is to be a restaurant, it
will be serviced adequately. Jim Martin told the Commission they
would not want the restaurant using the public elevator and will
install adequate service of either an elevator and a dump waiter.
Poss pointed out there is a development right already existing on
the property from a demolition of over 4 years ago. poss pointed
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out the phase II, the GMP allocation is to the east and the 4
employee units.
Anderson opened the public hearing.
Anderson closed the public hearing.
There were no comments.
Whi te sa id there are 3 proj ects competing, 2 have cash-in-lieu
for employee housing and one with on-site employee housing.
White said it is difficult to balance these two options and to
give the same points for different options. Richman said the
employee housing scoring category is clear and objective. When
Council adopted cash-in-lieu, they gave it equal credit. Richman
suggested the Commission raise this concern with Council. Richman
said in this instance each applicant should receive an
appropriate score; they are making a commitment to house a
certain percentage of their employees.
Commission members scored the three applications. Burstein
announced all three meet the threshold. Hunt moved to accept the
scoring and forward to Council; seconded by Colombo. All in
favor, motion carried.
PITKIN CENTER FAR BONUS: EMPLOYEE HOUSING GMP EXEMPTION: PARKING
REDUCTION
Steve Burstein, planning office, told the Commission the proposal
is to deed restrict 4 units on-site to low and moderate income.
Burstein said there may be a need for moderate units to satisfy
those with a greater income, thus the recommendation for a
greater income span.
Hunt moved to recommend approval of an employee housing GMP
exemption to deed restrict 4 on-site units to low or moderate
income; seconded by Ms. Tygre. All in favor, motion carried.
Burstein pointed out the Code gives the P & z the ability to set
the parking requirement for free market units in the CC zone, and
to send a recommendation on the employee parking. The applicant
is committing to two parking space on-site for the free market
units. Burstein said one parking space per bedroom is an
acceptable parking arrangement. However, there is no on-site
parking for the employee studios. Burstein said if the tenants
do not have a vehicle, and the proximity to downtown makes these
units very convenient. The planning office does feels that most
employees have vehicles, and recommends there be 3 employee
parking spaces and 2 for free market, for a total of 5 parking
spaces.
poss noted in the CC zone, there is no parking requirement and
there has been none required in the past. The intent of this
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zone is for employees who do not wish to have a car. Poss said
they feel the two spaces provided on-site are above the zone
requirements. Poss said the two residential units they are
building were there previously and did not have any parking
spaces. Anderson asked if the rear of the building could be
reconf igured to accommodate one additional car. Poss said the
building is under construction, and it would be difficult to
provide for one more parking space.
Hunt moved to set special review at two parking spaces for the
free market units and recommend exemption for parking for the
employee units; seconded by Ms. Tygre. All in favor with the
exception of Colombo and White. Motion carried.
Burstein said the last review is FAR bonus and staff recommends,
except for the parking issue, there is not a problem with the 2:1
FAR proposed. Burstein had recommended this request be denied
based on the deficiency of the parking; however, based on the
previous motion, P & Z may approve this.
Ms. Tygre moved to approve special review of the FAR bonus of
.5:1; seconded by Hunt. All in favor, motion carried.
NATURE'S STOREHOUSE - Cash-in-lieu for employee housing;
reduction of trash and utility requirements
Steve Burstein, planning office, told the Commission the
applicants propose to pay $70,000 for employee housing to provide
housing for 3.7 low and moderate employees. The housing office
and planning staff recommend approval; however, staff recommends
the Commission ought to send a message to get a program together
on using the cash-in-lieu in the next six months. Ms. Tygre
said, at present, P & Z has no review of the housing authority's
plans. Alan Richman, planning director, pointed out the
applicant is only required to pay their share, which has been set
by formula. Ms. Tygre asked what happens when an applicants'
payment does not cover the expense to build the housing for the
number of employees he has committed to. Richman said staff
feels they have the correct formula to implement the program.
Ms. Tygre said she feels this program should be monitored because
there may be hidden costs to the city. Richman said if P & Z is
uncomfortable with the program or with the cash payment, P & Z
may recommend to Council not to accept the cash-in-lieu. Ms.
Tygre said her concern is that the employee housing get built and
would like a timetable for providing this housing. Richman said
it is reasonable for the Commission to expect the housing
authority to come up with a plan on how it intends to use the
money.
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Perry Harvey, representing the applicant, told the Commission
cash-in-lieu is required when a building permit is issued.
Harvey noted this is a new program and no one knows how much cash
will be generated by this. Harvey agreed the Commission does
need a long range program. The housing authority is excited
about generating different types of employee housing programs,
like mortgage help or deferment. Harvey said he feels the
employee housing inventory at present is more than the demands at
present, and the housing authority would like to look into other
possibilities. White agreed he would like to see proposals from
the housing office this year.
Blomquist moved to accept the proposal to provide cash-in-lieu to
house 3.73 low and moderate income employees; seconded by Hunt.
All in favor, with the exception of Ms. Tygre. Motion carried.
Hunt moved to approve special review for reduction in trash and
utilities area requirements; seconded by Colombo. All in favor,
motion carried.
Hunt moved to approve special review for restaurant use in open
space; seconded by blomquist. All in favor, motion carried.
HUNTER PLAZA - Consideration of cash-in-lieu employee housing;
reduction of trash utility requirements.
Hunt moved to accept the proposal to provide cash-in-lieu to
house 9.2 low income employees; seconded by Blomquist. All in
favor, with the exception of Ms. Tygre. Motion carried.
Hunt moved to approve special review for reduction in trash and
utilities area requirement deleting the reference to trash
compactors; seconded by Colombo. All in favor, motion carried.
Hunt moved that the Commission be updated on the program of cash-
in-lieu for employee housing, and that this be scheduled as an
agenda item; seconded by White. All in favor, motion carried.
Richman said the staff, housing author ity and P & Z will start
developing a housing plan element and it is included in the 1987
work program.
Hunt said he would like to get the code modified to include
service access to restaurants. Richman said if P & Z submits
this in written form, he will forward it to the code consultants
who are working on simpl ifying the code. Richman told the
Commission staff has been directed not to initiate any code
amendments until this work is done.
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Hunt moved to indicate to the planning office to include
restaurant access in the code updating process, to be direct
access from the alley and if on the second floor to have elevator
access; seconded by Ms. Tygre. All in favor, motion carried.
REZONING REOUEST - Moses C, Conservation to R-15
Anderson told the Commission the Conservation zone has a 200 foot
setback, and this lot is almost entirely in the front or rear
setback. Gideon Kaufman, representing the applicant, told the
Commission he is requesting their sponsorship because of the
rezoning time table. If they wait until spring, they will miss
the next building season. Kaufman said they would like an
opportunity to get into agenda process. Alan Richman, planning
director, pointed out there was a time for rezoning request in
August and staff generally encourages applicants to stay within
the code guidelines. Kaufman said there were substantial issues
raised, to which he wanted time to respond.
Hunt moved to sponsor a rezoning request for the Gaard Moses
property on Aspen mountain, indicating no elimination of
necessary fees; seconded by White. All in favor, motion carried.
Ms. Tygre moved to adjourn at 7:35 p.m.; seconded by Blomquist.
All in favor, motion carried.
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