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Aspen Planninq and Zoninq Commission
April 19. 1988
vice Chairman Jasmine Tygre called the meeting to order at 4:30
p.m. with members David White, Roger Hunt, Mari Peyton, Ramona
Markalunas and Jim Colombo present.
COMMISSIONER AND STAFF COMMENTS
1. Alan Richman, planning director, asked the Commission to table
the Ritz Carlton application. Richman said Council will hold a
meeting tomorrow, April 20th, to discuss a number of aspects of
this application, including issues of density and process. White
said the Board should give some comments on this application before
tomorrow night. Richman encouraged the Board to show up at the
Council meeting but not to have this hearing take place. Richman
told the Board the city manager was very clear at the Council
meeting in stating that the project had expired.
John Sarpa, representing the applicant, told the P & Z they
disagree with the assessment that the project had expired. Sarpa
said they have agreed to meet with the Council tomorrow to see if
they can get specific about density and height. Sarpa said it is
the mutual goal of the Council to work with the applicant to see
if they can reach agreement on the project. If agreement on the
project is reached, they can then discuss the process and how to
bring that project to fruition. Perry Harvey told the Board the
applicants have no objection of being tabled to May 3. Richman
said he is trying to keep the public hearing alive if by some
circumstance Council puts this back in the amendment process.
Mari Peyton said she understood Council is going to discuss whether
the P & Z will be part of this process or not. Richman said P &
Z will be part of the process because the land use code requires
P & Z to be a recommending body. Richman said the question is what
the actual steps in the process will be. White said the Commission
has not talked about what they think is the appropriate size for
the hotel.
Herron moved to table the Ritz Carlton hotel GMP/PUD amendment to
May 3 and to continue the public hearing; seconded by White. All
in favor, motion carried.
2. Richman said there has been some communication to P & Z about
the Gordon subdivision. Richman told the Board no application has
been submitted. When one is, it will be scheduled for the P & Z
with proper notice.
MINUTES
Hunt moved to adopt the minutes of March 8, 1988, correcting on
page 18 on the second line, "from the second major break on the
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Mill street winq"; seconded by White.
carried.
All in favor, motion
700 EAST MAIN RESIDENTIAL GMP PROJECT/PRELIMINARY PLAT
Ms. Tygre opened the public hearing.
Cindy Houben, planning office, told P & Z in condition #3 she noted
there should verification about the planting in the courtyard area
above the subgrade parking. Ms. Houben said this letter has been
submitted. Ms. Houben said at conceptual, she represented the
pocket park at Spring and Main was to be a publicly-accessible
space. Ms. Houben said private versus public accessibility does
not affect the open space count. Ms. Houben said she thought it
was resolved at conceptual that this would be a public park. The
applicant would like to clarify this; that this was a public park
was not their understanding, and the benches will be supplied on
the public right-if-way.
Ms. Houben said in condition #5 there are some engineering
specifications regarding the sidewalk and the space required
between the curb and sidewalk. Ms. Houben told P & Z Council
requested the applicants look into the amount of existing parking
and how many spaces would be deleted because of the development.
Ms. Houben said the applicant has stated only 2 spaces out of 16
will be deleted on Main and Spring streets.
Ms. Houben said since conceptual approval the Main street elevation
has been changed. The form of the building has changed giving a
different look. It is the same floor plan. The height is still
below the maximum allowed. The design adds a sense of bulk to the
structures. Ms. Houben went over the site plan and pointed out
changes since conceptual approval. Ms. Houben said the applicants
represented at conceptual that the maximum square footage would be
42,000 square feet and are now requesting this be 43,000 square
feet. Ms. Houben said there is some confusion as to what is to be
calculated and how much of the balconies count in this square
footage. Ms. Houben said the applicants are also requesting
condominiumization of the free market units.
Don Ensign, Design Workshop, told P & Z they tried to redesign this
in order to avoid one of the curb cuts. Ensign said it is
difficult to get the cars turning in the project. Ensign said the
visual effect with only one curb cut and all the concrete sidewalk
is very uncomfortable. Ensign said the plan will result in a loss
of one parking space on the perimeter of the project. Hunt said
his goal was to get some parking along the project but not to
create a safety hazard. Ensign said he will talk to the engineer-
ing department. Hunt said he would work with the applicant and the
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engineering department on the preferred parking plan along the
streets.
Marty Pickett, representing the applicant, told the Board they are
required to get approval from the state highway department because
this is along the highway. Ms. picket said all the highway
department is requiring is a curb and sidewalk. Ms. Houben said
the city's engineering department is requiring a guardrail also.
Joe Wells, representing the applicant, said it was the applicant's
intention to provide an open space area or visual relief at the
corner of Main and Spring as a break on the property and to protect
the existing cottonwoods. Wells said the applicants had intended
to have boulders for people to sit on outside the property. Wells
said it was not the intention of the applicant to open up the area
to the general public and assume that liability. Wells said there
is no incentive in the code to encourage public use of private
property. Wells said the code requires open space on the project
site itself to be usable by the residents of the project and to
offer relief from the development. Wells said he does not think
P & Z made that a condition of their resolution of conceptual
approval. Ms. Houben said her memo contained that condition and
it was accepted by P & Z.
Ms. Tygre asked if any commission member felt this issue would have
affected their scoring or approval of the project. David White
said he scored the project according to having two pocket parks
available to the public. Herron said he feels it is inappropriate
to tell an applicant what to put on their property. Herron said
the purpose of open space is to not have a wall-to-wall develop-
ment. Ms. Tygre said the Commission does not feel that benches
should be placed within this project. Ms. Tygre said there are 4
Commission members in favor of benches versus rocks for seating
outside the property line.
Ensign showed the Board the configuration of the hot tubs so they
are a continuation of the terrace wall. Ensign said they are not
using usable open space to put the hot tubs in because of the steep
grading that comes to the walls. Ensign said the hot tubs will not
be seen from the streets. Ms. Tygre said the concern was this adds
to the massing of the building. No Commission members felt that
the new configuration of the hot tubs caused problems with the FAR
or massing.
Michael Thompson, Hagman Yaw, told the Commission the applicants
were comfortable with a 42,000 square foot FAR topset at prelimi-
nary PUD. The site allows around 50,000 square feet. Thompson
told the P & Z there have been two changes, one is an internal
change which did not effect the footprint or the external skin of
the building. This was an increase of 672 square feet. The second
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increase is how the applicants were looking at the floor area
regulations. Thompson said originally they read it that when a
deck is covered by an overhang of more than 3 feet than just that
portion of the deck is counted. Thompson said the interpretation
of the building department is that if a deck is covered beyond the
3 feet allowable, the whole deck counts in the FAR. Thompson said
this will add another 500 feet to the FAR. Thompson said the
applicants can commit to 43,000 square feet, which is still under
the FAR allowable. Ms. Tygre said the change of facade with the
balconies in her opinion does not make the bulk larger. The
Commission agreed.
Ms. Houben told the Board, the Council discussed the 6 month
minimum restriction and determined they did not want to give
waivers to any project in the RMF district. Ms. Houben recommended
this project be granted condominiumization but that the 6 month
minimum lease restriction is in effect. Ms. Houben said the
applicants have requested to be reviewed under the new code. The
new code states is a project is displacing people from homes, an
affordable housing fee will have to be paid. Ms. Houben said there
is one-bedroom house on the project, which would calculate to a
$3700 affordable housing fee. Ms. Houben said P & Z needs to
determine if the applicant mitigated the employee housing impacts
with their cash-in-lieu payment, which was over $600,000.
Ms. Markalunas moved to waive the affordable housing fee of $3700
in light of the $600,000 cash-in-lieu payment; seconded by Herron.
Ms. Peyton said this would be against the direction of making new
development mitigate its own impacts and its employee generation
numbers. White agreed Council is discussing replacement of
affordable units when they are displaced. Ms. Peyton said the
cash-in-lieu payment only covers 50 percent of the employee
generation. Herron said the code required an exactment, which has
been taken. To keep taking money just drives the cost of the
project up. Ms. Tygre said the P & Z has the choice to require the
affordable housing fee, to require one deed restricted unit on site
for 5 years, or to waive the fee.
Markalunas and Herron in favor; White, Tygre, Peyton, Hunt and
Colombo opposed. Motion NOT carried.
Hunt moved to accept the affordable housing fee of $3700; seconded
by Herron.
Ms. Peyton said she feels the most benefit to the community as a
whole would be a deed restricted unit on site for 5 years. Ms.
Peyton said the Commission has already given this project 2 extra
units of GMP quota. White agreed the real benefit is to get a deed
restricted unit. Ms. Tygre agreed the P & Z should be working at
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getting more employee housing on site. This site was an area that
was originally designed to be permanent employee housing.
Colombo, Hunt, Markalunas and Herron in favor; Peyton, Tygre and
White opposed. Motion carried.
Don Ensign requested the project be allowed to heat the sidewalks
in the central court and the parking entranceway but not be
required to do so. Ms. Tygre said condition #8 can be modified to
reflect this. Ms. Houben requested a condition be added which
states that the applicant receive all necessary permits from the
state highway department.
Ms. Tygre closed the public hearing.
Hunt moved to recommend approval of the preliminary subdivision,
PUD, exemption from growth management for the employee dwelling
unit, condominiumization, stream margin review and special review
approval for the 700 East Main project with the following condi-
tions; (1) all representations of the applicant shall be conditions
of the approval unless herein modified; (2) in the memo of the
planning office of April 19, 1988; condition #3 deleted as it has
been met; two park benches shall be set adjacent to the open space
at the coroner of Spring and Main street in the public right-of-
way; condition #4 as in the memo; the sidewalk curb and gutter
alignment along Main street shall be designed parallel to the
property line for approximately 150 feet from the Spring street
curb and then doglegged to the Original Curve curb to maximize the
available on street parking without reducing the safety, subject
to the approval of the engineering department; new condition 4(f)
adding a sentence to old 5 (f) "or a design modified as approved
with the engineering department"; new condition #5, the total
square footage of the project shall not exceed 43,000 square feet;
new condition #6, the hot tubs for individual units shall be
located partially on the footprint of the patios as shown on
exhibit A of the preliminary plan, foam covers are required for
each hot tub on the site; new condition #7 the pool area, recrea-
tional building, and access ways and parking ramp may be heated for
snow melt purposes; new condition #8 is the same as condition 9 in
the memo; new condition #9 the public river overlook shall include
a bench and boulders for public seating; new condition #10,
applicant must receive necessary permits from the highway depart-
ment; new condition #11 (a) and (b) the same as 12 (a) and (b), and
(c) the applicant shall be required to pay an affordable housing
fee based on one unit pursuant to section 7-1008 of the proposed
new code; seconded by Colombo. All in favor, motion carried.
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MCDONALD HISTORIC DESIGNATION AND CONDITIONAL USE
Ms. Tygre opened the public hearing. Jim Colombo stepped down due
to a potential conflict of interest.
Steve Burstein, planning office, presented a site plan showing the
parking plan, the original house, and the expansion. Ms. Tygre
introduced a letter from the adjacent neighbors supporting the
project. There is a letter from Ruth Whyte, also adjacent, listing
concerns about doubling the size of this structure, including roof
and height, parking and access. Burstein told the Board there are
3 aspects to the application; historic landmark designation,
conditional use for the restaurant, and special review for
reduction of parking. Burstein told P & Z this application is to
convert the existing house of 1400 square feet into a 50 seat
restaurant/bar, and to build a 2300 square foot addition for a four
bedroom residence.
Burstein said HPC has reviewed the application for historic
compatibility. HPC has granted conceptual approval with condi-
tions. The HPC is still working with the applicant on meeting the
conditions of conceptual approval. HPC has recommended historic
designation. This house was built in 1944. There are unique
features to the house which make is eligible for historic designa-
tion. It is a good example of rustic architecture. The house is
visible from Main street and contributes to the character of Main
street. Historic designation is a zoning classification, so P &
Z recommends designation to Council.
Ms. Tygre said historic designation does allow certain uses in
order to encourage preservation. The P & Z was concerned about
size of additions to historic structures. Ms. Tygre said she
thought there was a limit to the size of expansions to historic
structures. Burstein said there is no limit. The discussion
focused on the mitigation of employee housing impact. Ms. Tygre
said the P & Z also discussed the size of the expansion. Burstein
said Council discussed putting a cap on the expansion but decided
HPC has the historic compatibility criteria under which to review
each project. Ms. Tygre said above a certain amount of square
footage addition, a project gets into the GMP issues. Burstein
said this is being reviewed under the old code.
Ms. Peyton moved to recommend to Council historic designation of
this property; seconded by Ms. Markalunas.
Ms. Tygre said she is concerned that historic designation opens up
growth impacts that are not controlled by P & Z.
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Ms. Peyton withdrew her motion in order to hear the applicant's
presentation.
Scott McDonald told council the addition is 1700 square feet of
living space and 160 square feet will be used for the kitchen. The
intent of this project is to use the original structure for a
restaurant. The structure is currently a four bedroom house. The
addition will be a four bedroom house. McDonald said there is
about 6000 square feet open space on the lot. They have enlarged
the garage to accommodate two cars and two small dumpsters. There
will also be 3 parking spaces for the restaurant. McDonald said
there are a number of large spruce trees on the property, which
limit where the addition can go.
Hunt said he feels there should be 10 feet between this and the
building to the west. McDonald went over the storage in the
basement and the service area.
Ms. Tygre opened the public hearing on the historic designation and
conditional use of 300 West Main street. There were no comments.
Ms. Tygre closed the public hearing.
Hunt reiterated his concern about the lack of 10 feet between the
building to the west. White said the housing authority has
requested there be some mitigation of the employees generated by
this new restaurant. Ms. Tygre said this building is worth
preserving; however, to what extent is the Commission willing to
give other considerations that are applied to buildings that are
not historic. Ms. Tygre said when historic designation is granted
to this building, the city loses control over things like employee
housing generation created by the ability the commission would have
in the code. Ms. Tygre said she does not feel the trade offs in
this project are appropriate because there are great problems in
town.
Herron asked if there is a way the P & Z can make a recommendation
conditioned on employee housing being addressed. Burstein said the
old code does not require the applicants to take care of the
employee housing impact. Burstein said the McDonalds originally
had an employee unit on-site but due to the bulk, they decided to
delete that unit. Burstein said the 10 feet between buildings may
be germane to this discussion and the conditional use concerns.
The HPC is attempting to address the compatibility and are
concerned about the effect of this building on the structure to the
west. Ms. Tygre said her concern with the conditional use is that
this project does not deal with the things she is most concerned
about. Conditional use review does not include those areas of
concern in the purview of P & Z. Ms. Tygre said she does not want
to grant historic designation because she has no other recourse to
mitigate impacts caused by the change in use of this building.
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Burstein said this applicant is in the transition between the old
and new codes. Burstein told the Commission he has discussed with
the applicants that the new code has the intent to have employee
housing mitigation. Ms. Tygre said she is also concerned with size
and bulk. McDonald told the P & Z they also have the option of
constructing a duplex on this lot. Caroline McDonald told the
Board that she and Scott will be running the restaurant so the
addi tion can be looked at as employee housing. Hunt said the
residence is not now an employee unit. If this residence becomes
designated, the community would be gaining one employee unit.
McDonald said this will not be condominiumized, and a buyer would
be buying the whole unit. Ms. Peyton said in this case the
benefits of preserving this structure warrants action.
White said he would like to figure out a way to preserve this and
mitigate some of the impacts without opening up another area for
the next applicant to come in an do whatever they want to do.
White said a payment to cash-in-lieu for employee housing would
help solve some of the concerns of the Board. Herron said 1700
square feet of bulk is not much of an issue; the question is the
economics. Herron said a cash-in-lieu payment would render the
project beyond the applicants desires. Herron said the Board has
to decide whether they are willing to lose this piece of property
or to let the applicants have the restaurant and not address
employee housing as they are entitled to do under the current code.
Herron suggested deed restricting the 1700 square feet to housing
and for nothing else. Burstein said this could be an accessory
unit of the restaurant.
Ms. Tygre said 1700 square feet is not unreasonable but it is
doubling the size of the existing structure. McDonald said the
intent of the addition is for the owner or someone connected with
the restaurant to occupy the addition. White suggested continuing
this to next meeting in order to give the applicant time to come
back with some conditions that may address the concerns outlined
by the Board.
Ms. Peyton moved to table this to a week from today; seconded by
White. All in favor, motion carried.
Ms. Tygre continued the public hearing.
The meeting adjourned at 7:45 p.m.
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