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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19890411 ~ . RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION APRIL 11. 1989 Chairman Welton Anderson called meeting to order at 4:30 pm. Answering roll Herron, Roger Peyton and Jim call were Graeme Hunt, Jasmine Tygre Colombo were absent. Means, Bruce Kerr, Michael and Welton Anderson. Mari COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Jasmine: This is regarding the garbage problem from Cookie Munchers. When that building went in and there was this problem about the trash and trash access. I reported some months ago that trash from that cookie place is allover. And it has continud. That is an enforcement problem. But it is not just people who go in there and buy a cookie or ice cream and throw stuff around. It is cartons and bigger packing things that are obviously used by the business to store things. They say they have tried to compact and then thrown into other people's dumpsters or trash barrels or not as the case may be. Li ttle Annie's and 0 I Leary's are already mad at Eastern Winds thinking that it was our trash until we went through and looked at it and found out that it was definitely Cookie trash. So now everybody is mad at them. We were concerned about it even when we granted approval for the building because of the problem of trash. I don't know what they can do about it but maybe we should just not approve uses like this in buildings like that where there isn I t any trash use because all the neighboring businesses have to keep picking up this crap all the time and the neighboring businesses are not happy. until people come in at 11:00 to start clearing up and setting up for lunch at Eastern Winds there is garbage allover the street on cooper Street. It is not a desireable situation. Alan: I will bring it to Chuck Roth's attention. Bruce: Does the city of Aspen have a pooper/scooper ordinance of some kind? Welton: Yes. I think so. Bruce: Maybe I will bring it to Council. I am really concerned now that we are entering the summer season about people and their dog in Wagner Park and the kids playing where the dogs do their thing. It really is a health problem. Roger: Just expanding on Jasmine I s comment--we do have in the Commercial Core for restaurants requirement for direct access to PZM4.11.89 the alley in the code. That was waived on that application at special review because they were there in that project to start with. Had they not been there to start with I certainly wouldn't have been tempted to waive that in this case. So as far as future is concerned I think everything is in place. STAFF COMMENTS Alan: We need to talk to you about site visit for the meadows and how best to handle that. This is such a complex application that a site visit is very important. After discussion it was decided to meet at the parking lot at the restaurant Monday April l7, 1989 at 4:30 for the site visit. ASPEN GREENS REZONING AND CONCEPTUAL PUD SUBMISSION Tom Baker: I will start. this out by Adamski, Tom Stevens and Dwight architect and Pat Doby, Engineer. introducing everybody. Jim Shirt, Peter Dobolvrony, About 2 and l/2 years ago we were discussing whether or not the Red Roof Inn was going to go unoccupied for the winter Season. At that time there were all sorts of reasons why we couldn't use it for housing. It was too near the golf course, the noise from the Music School children would distract golfers, etc. But the P&Z felt it was very important that that facility be used for housing at least on a temporary basis. The Council was not inclined to do that on a permanent basis and they directed staff to write a resolution that was submitted to the Council. As a result of that resolution the facility was used for affordable housing by the ski company for the winter and the MA has used it ever since. The proposal you are interviewing tonight is the result of P&Z's input and a lot of other input. The applicants will describe the extensive public process they have gone through to get to this point in the design. Staff has found that the results of this process and exciting design which achieves a balance community's land use concerns and providing for community's housing needs. is a creative between the some of the What we are looking for tonight is conceptual approval and sort of agreement on a couple of threshold issues such as rezoning and conditional use. We have gotten the May meeting with City 2 PZM4.11.89 council and that will be a public hearing provided that we can get through the process with P&Z in time to do that. This is going to be a full blown 4-step PUD process although P&Z requested that council consider a compressed 2-step review for this project to keep it moving, council decided that it was going to be important to have the full blown 4-step process to insure adequate public input. Tom then made presentation as attached in record. After discussion between P&Z Commission and the representatives for the project: CONDITIONS FOR CONCEPTUAL PUD APPROVAL Tom Baker: First condition talks about providing the P&Z with a map showing the existing boundaries of the golf course support zone and identifying what portion of that zone will be rezoned to Public. They have provided us with a presentation map. All I would request is that for city council we have a map by May 11 that can be included in the packet so that they can see what is going on at the site. We are aSking for an 8 and 1/2 X 11 for the council packet for conceptual review. #2 to provide the Planning Office with a Bill Efting, proving the long term lease the existing golf course parking lot project. written commitment from of 20 parking spaces in for winter use by this Tom stevens: That is in the works and we will have it for you by Council meeting. Tom: #3 is to develop a drainage plan which is acceptable to both Engineering and the Golf Course superintendent. That revolves around trapping the oil and grease before the water gets to the golf course or the irrigation ditch. They have committed to provide drawings by Council time. Tom: Yes. Michael: #2. I am concerned about a long term lease. I think that parking lot has got a lot of potential as to whether it is going to end up being an. intercept lot some day or other things. And I hate to see that that would stand in the way of something ,.....- 3 PZM4.11.89 else that would be of more beneficial use if there is a 20 space lease over there for people to park cars. Tom B: level. ability I guess the term lease was put in there for our comfort If we don't need the term "lease" in there--just the to utilize as necessary up to 20 spaces. Michael: What I am concerned about is not what you call it but what the commitment is. Tom B: The flip side to that is if the project requires 15 additional spaces to work, what kind of priority are we g01ng to need to overturn that. Are we going to displace people or how do we deal with that? I will strike the "long term lease". Tom S.?: So that it would say Planning Office with written commitment from Bill Efting, Leisure Services Director, approving up to 20 parking spaces for winter use by this project. Tom B: #3 was the drainage plan. #4. Provide the Planning Office with a memorandum from the Golf Course Superintendent stating that the berm along the 9th fairway is acceptable. Tom S: In fact that is why we are staking the berm. Tom B: So that is going to happen between now and the end of the month so that will be available for the Council packet as well. #5. Apparently Tom already has a letter committing the MAA to as many units as possible for an indefinite period of time. I think then we and just make parking. could strike this provision or this condition #5 sure everything works at final then with the Bruce: Jim mentioned a while ago that MA is talking about 3 months. Are they willing to pay rent for 3 months? ? Yea. only need it months. In fact that is what they are doing. They really for 2 and 1/2. But they are willing to pay for 3 Tom B. So we strike #5. #6. strike 6 as well then. #7. Tom has identified how that access continues through that donut area--the turn-around. ~..... 4 PZM4 .11. 89 Tom S.: If that is what they want to do, that is easy enough to do. I think the main thing is that turn-around is not going to be curved prohibiting traffic. Whatever they want to pave outside of that is fine. Tom B. So #7 is struck as well. #8. The Applicant shall be required to demonstrate that the proposed structures do not extend above the height of the existing structure, as viewed from Hwy. 82. Welton: They have already done that. Tom S.: The other thing that we are going to do is on the 17th we are going to have another meeting with the steering committee. We are going to stake the buildings and also send a balloon up to roof height. Then we are going brave standing in the oncoming lane of 82 and see----(much hilarity) Welton: You could just provide us with some photographs. Tom B: These are conditions we want them to work on. 1. For application for final development plan staff is requesting that there be geotechnical study to determine the impact of existing fill material on the proposed development. And at their meeting today Tom agreed that they would be doing that. 2. To work with the Colorado Department of Highways and the Engineering Department to develop a detailed traffic study to determine the traffic impacts that this proposal will have on Hwy 82. Both Engineering and CDOH have indicated that a left turn lane may be required. I guess based upon Peter's comments and if the P&Z is inclined, I would like to add to that they come up with an adequate resolution to the traffic problem of that intersection if we strike the 3rd condition. So P&Z wants me to work to add to #2 and strike #3? Jasmine: Yes. Welton: But to include investigation of these options but not restrict you to using anyone solution. Roger: I think in that might be to try to come up with an adequate interim solution before Hwy. 82 is set. 5 PZM4.11.89 Tom B: #4. Develop a detailed Transit Plan in cooperation with MA and RFTA. And I will also beef that up with the information that we got on the pedestrian crossing of Hwy. 82 and the free transit concerns. #5. Comply with the ACSD standards for connecting to the District system and providing for the ACSD to take over ownership and maintenance of the sewer line at the project. They have committed to do that. They are on record. Provide a fire hydrant at the turn-around as request by the Fire Marshal and to sprinkle with a residential system and equip with an automatic fire alarm system capable of notifying all residents of pending problem to the satisfaction of the Fire Marshal. I think both of those are a result of the recently adopted 1988 Fire Safety Code. Wayne Vandemark can guide you on the specifics of that. ......".,. This last condition that Roger touched on with his concerns. Peter was making changes already. But the code definition of dormitory calls it a dormitory unit can be shared by up to 8 people. Technically this kind of design may have a problem doing that. I think that the code is so unstructured in terms of dormitory that we should remain as flexible as possible and just keep in mind that that general technical definition of dormitory and work within that. If you can't, maybe we need to amend that definition. Peter: I think one of the ways of solving that is units in here so that we have a mix of 2-bedroom one of the buildings which reduces the number bedroom sharing. by how we mix uni ts in each of dormitory Roger: In other words you mix a 2-bedroom plan with a dormitory plan. Peter: Yes. Tom B: And then what I am going to do is have the information that Jasmine and Roger brought up about the free transit and the safe crossing of Hwy. 82 to conditions that are already in here. I will add a condition about the winter use of the bike path and the recreational use for basketball and tennis court. . The traffic light alternative will be incorporated into that second condition under final. 6 PZM4.11.89 Mickey, I have got notes here about the MA providing a bicycle fleet. Is that a condition that you would like to have the MA investigate the possibility of providing summer residents with a bicycle? Michael: I don't know that I intend that it goes so far as to be a condition. But take a look at it. Tom B: We can put it in as encouragement rather than an absolute condition. Roger: One thing that seemed to get missed is covered bicycle racks in the project. Tom B: I will add that with the bike path condition. Michael: I can't imagine that you are going to get a very large percent of these people who live there and work there to ride a bike. I don't care what you do--unless you give them a heated, covered facility. Most people in the winter don't ride bicycles. It is dangerous. It is cold. You go out in the morning and your bike is frozen. Basically, other than the guys who are looking to ride in Alaska are not into things like that. Tom B: I think the biggest problem with winter bike riding is if you don't get off work when it is light or you are not going to work when it is light it is really tricky. Welton: I would entertain a motion for Tom to draft a resolution approving the conceptual PUD for the former Red Roof Property employee housing expansion with the additional conditions and modifications to conditions as proposed in Planning Department's memo of April 3, 1989 and to be elaborated on by Tom Baker. (attached in record) And also to come up with an acceptable name for the proj ect--something that does not say Aspen and is not confusing to other similar names in Aspen. Roger: I so move. Michael seconded the motion with all in favor. AFFORDABLE HOUSING ZONE DISTRICT PUBLIC HEARING item is affordable Housing Zone District. I hearing and continue the hearing to June 6, Welton: The last reopen the public 1989. Meeting was adjourned. Time was 6:50. y Clerk 7