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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19901002 ~tJ ~ RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION OCTOBER 2. 1990 Chairman Welton Anderson called meeting to order at 4:30pm. Answering roll call were Sara Garton, Graeme Means, Bruce Kerr, Mari Peyton, Roger Hunt, Jasmine Tygre and Welton Anderson. Richard Compton was excused. COMMISSIONER'S COMMENTS Graeme: In thinking about the access to the Meadows I was wondering if there was a solution that would get everybody equally upset and that would be to run a 1-way loop where perhaps they would put the new road in by the new houses there but have that one-way going in which would make 7th Street not as impacted and then going out of the Meadows you put 8th Street. Does that make any sense? Roger: In other words join 7th and 8th as I see Bill Dunaway finally got on an editorial? Graeme: That was a little different. Sara: I would like to support that too. I walked that the other day and I thought it would be a compromise for everyone. Roger: Well, I am definitely in favor of joining 8th Street to 7th Street if we still have to have a 7th Street as opposed to cUI-de-sacing 8th Street. That makes no sense to me to cul-de- sac 8th Street. Why not join it in and maybe have the predominant street 7th Street going into the Meadows along the east side of the tree line as it is shown now. But having 8th Street at least going somewhere and that is to an intersection on Meadows Road by that time. Welton: I think that coming up with solutions to the Meadows access should probably be discussed during the Meadows meeting and not during Commissioner's comments. It is a good suggestion. Amy: It was discussed. The problem most people have is we have 2 pavements right alongside each other. Graeme: Well, they could join at that point. Amy: Pavement and make one or the other a trail. Roger: See where they are showing a cul-de-sac now it is right next literally to Meadows Road where they are showing the cul-de- sac and my point is that cul-de-sac is useless. Why not run it and terminate it at Meadows Road? PZM10.2.90 Mari: I am sure the objections will be that the homeowners on 7th don't want to have to go all the way around this loop. Graeme: It would only have to be 1-way from where it starts in the grove of trees along by the new houses. The rest of 7th street could all be 2-way. Then just have that on1-way and then this 1-way coming out. Welton asked if there were any other Commissioner comments. There were none. Welton: I would like to take this opportunity to announce that I am going to step down from Planning & Zoning commission as of November 15th ~ when we get the Meadows done. And that could be years! But the Meadows was the first item that I was involved with 15 years ago when I got on P&Z and I don't want to leave it undone. Graeme: Burn out or what is your reason? Wel ton: 14 years is enough. It takes a Particularly when you have to keep track and rowdy group as this. lot out of you. control of such a STAFF COMMENTS Amy: I have heard from various people in the community that it may be a good idea when you hear the Meadows to only hear the Meadows. I would like to give you the option on that night of hearing the pedestrian walkway plan to continue that and only do the Meadows. Welton: I agree that that is appropriate. Bruce: I want to notify the clerk that I will be here on the 9th after all but probably not the 16th. I would very much like to meet on the 9th on the Meadows and try to get that resolved if we possibly can. Then perhaps the 16th only be a formality. That would be great. Commission members all agreed to devote entire 9th meeting to the Meadows. Amy: We will schedule the pedestrian walkway plan for Oct 23rd. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were none. 2 PZM10.2.90 MINUTES SEPTEMBER 4 AND 18. 1990 Jasmine made a motion to approve minutes of september 4, 1990. Roger seconded the motion with all in favor. Roger made a motion to adopt minutes of september 18, 1990. Jasmine seconded the motion with all in favor. ALLEN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT Welton opened public hearing and continued the hearing to date certain of November 6, 1990 ELLER ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT Welton opened the public hearing and continued to date certain of October 16, 1990. HALLAM LAKE PIPELINE STREAM MARGIN REVIEW Kim Johnson, Planning Dept: record. Made presentation as attached in The Parks Dept wants an amendment to #1. Any trees that are removed must receive the standard tree removal permit as required by the City and replacement shall be 1 to 1 with 2 and 1/2 inch caliper trees. Roger: I notice that the pipeline is going under the Rio Grande ROW which is planned to be reactivated. What is going to be the depth of the pipeline or is it going to be re-enforced sufficiently that it will be all right to re-establish train service over that. Jim Gibbard, Eng. Dept: It is going to be very deep because we have to go under the sanitation main trunkline. All that is required is there be a 5ft cover along the entire length of the project. But because we have to go under that trunkline I anticipate we are going to be lot deeper than 5ft in that area. Roger: I don't want the pipeline crossing the Rio Grande to do anything to interfere with re-establishing rail service there. So it should either be down deep enough or re-enforced. Welton: Why don't we add condition #2 that the pipe is a sufficient strength and sufficient depth so as to not create any difficulties for the re-establishment of rail service. Kim: Condition #2 would be Prior to excavation permit issue a barrier shall be installed across the Art museum parcel defining 3 PZM10.2.90 the area of vehicular movement and material storage during construction because it is a sensitive site. We will establish one of those nylon string fences or snow fences to keep the dirt storage and front end loaders from traversing the entire site. Although the contractor has requested that the central area where it is wider in that Art Park area the corridor shall also be wider because they will need that additional room. Bruce: Do we know--are there any guarantees that by installing this pipeline we will solve the problem that Hallam has. Is that a foregone conclusion? Gibbard: No. There are no guarantees. Bruce: So we could be building the pipeline and we still could have problems at Hallam Lake? Gibbard: That is a possibility. Roger: Have you seen the flow of water from that pipeline? Bruce: No. Roger: It is pretty substantial. And theoretically if putting in the parking garage diverted that water from Hallam Lake and you now move that diversion back to Hallam Lake, Hallam Lake will get whatever it was supposed to get is the way I look at it. Gibbard: We are looking at 800 gallons per minute. MOTION Roger: I move to approve the stream Margin Review for the Hallam Lake pipeline with condition #1 being changed to indicate 2 and 1/2 inch caliper trees. condition #2 that the pipe will be of sufficient strength or depth not to interfere with re- establishment of rail service on the Rio Grande ROW. Condition #3 Prior to construct a snow fence will be erected across the Art Museum property to define the construction area and to keep construction vehicles from getting out of the area of construction. Jasmine seconded the motion with all in favor. HALLAM ESA MAP / TEXT AMENDMENT Kim made presentation as attached in record. Welton opened the public hearing. 4 PZM10.2.90 Joe Wells: I do not understand what the definition of top of slope is as per the memo. Kim: Top of slope means the point or line of points determined by the intersection of, and this is the new part, 230ft long lines, one being the level of the existing grade above the slope and the other being the angle of the existing slope. Discussion and public public including Joe Ferrish, Ted McFlyn, Elizabeth Paepcki. comment was taken from members of the Wells, Michael Doyle, Tom Todd, Mrs. Tom Cardamone of ACES, Jim Moran and Welton then closed the public portion of the meeting. MOTION Welton: Would somebody like to make a motion approving the text of the ESA and the map overlay with the inclusion of the text concerning further description of top of slope. Jasmine: I will so move. Sara seconded the motion. Roger: Given all I see here as far as identifying the top of slope I see it as everything here is to be adverse of ACES. When I brought up the question of the pole along the ground and someone saying "Well it is only 4ft". That only happens to be about 28 to 30% of the 15ft and 30% is a lot. I would really and now especially when that 45 degree angle is moved out to this fictitious point which to me is very advantageous to the developer. It is very disadvantageous to ACES because it all of a sudden projects something out more in an effect a viewplain as someone down in the ACES area is looking up here there is even more of an opportunity for the building not to be screened by the slope. I feel that this ends up being very adverse to ACES. My tendency is to a protest no vote but that doesn't mean I don't want to protect ACES in this. Welton: ACES was substantially responsible for developing this as a concept. In my opinion if ACES has developed this and is happy with it then I am more than happy to defer to them. I think that their position is probably that this approach will forever make it more difficult or impossible to do anything like perhaps the most damaging development that has happened along the edge. But it 5 PZM10.2.90 won't eliminate impacts altogether. It will just make the most horrendous examples not possible in the future. Kim: This setback area is 15ft and the slope allows for that much more area to be vegetatively screened. Whereas before going right to the slope or even starting to go down the slope is lessening any potential for screening. Everyone then voted in favor of the motion. ZONING DESIGNATION FOR HALLAM LAKE PARK SPA Welton: When land is annexed into the City it is rezoned. The Planning Office is recommending that the zoning for ACES be Park SPA. Are there any questions regarding this SPA park? Roger: It is my suggestion that we take the necessary steps to add Nature Preserve under the purpose section of the Park code. MOTION Roger: I move to find that the ACES Nature Preserve does fall within our concept of the purpose of p-park and recommend that the property be zoned Park SPA on annexation to the city. Jasmine seconded the motion. Graeme: This parking thing is in here. Sooner or later we will have to come to grips with the parking on this parcel. Is there anything we can do at this point concerning that? Kim: As parking standards to apply? recommending SPA overlay. That is why staff is Everyone voted in favor of the motion. MOTION Roger: include section I move to have the Planning Dept start procedures Nature Preserve in both purpose and permitted uses 5, 220 (a and b) in the code. to of Jasmine seconded the motion with all in favor. Meeting was adjourned. 6