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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19930817 .J..td ~ RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS '"'-" PLANNING , ZONING COMMISSION AUGUST 17. 1993 Chairman Bruce Kerr called meeting to order at 4:30 P.M. Answering roll call were Jake vickery, Tim Mooney, David Brown, Sara Garton, Roger Hunt, Jasmine Tygre and Bruce Kerr. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS Roger: I have some problems with taking parking off the north part of Main Street to accommodate this bus lane. I have talked with people like Jack Reid and Randy Ready. One of my major problems with losing any parking on the north side of Main Street are with things like doctor's offices and conditional use approvals. I would like to get a little feedback from the rest of P&Z. Do you think this is a problem? I want to give our point of view on this at the meetings. Jasmine: I am with you, Roger. Bruce: I would say probably all of us agree to taking the parking out would be a problem. The question is whether we buy into what your alternative solution is. If you want to convey to the various groups that the P&Z has a problem with elimination of the Main Street parking that is a safe assumption. ,-. Leslie: Are you talking about just the north side of Main Street? Roger: Yes. Just the north side. And they were going to re- configure the aligning of Main Street. Sara: For an HOV lane. Roger: But it was just basically going to be a transit lane using the present parking lane. Sara: The only thing--parking on Main Street is a problem for traffic. If someone decides they are going to parallel park and they stop, everything is backed up. So I believe there should be discussion. People park in front of the Main Street Bakery, Explore--everything is jammed up for that 4 lane all the way back, Roger. And for dropping skiers on and off the bus stops there is a problem when there is parking there. Roger: I am all in favor of getting the buses to the head of the line but we can do it within the existing lanes quite easily. STAFF COMMENTS r.. "'--.. Francis: Roger had asked about the Ritz Ice Rink regarding the elevations. As near as I can tell (at this point the outside PZM8.17.93 traffic noise is all that is audible. Henceforth I will indicate this as TN) street elevations were given so I compared those things-- Roger: The plan that we saw had a treatment along the south side of the rink where they had ramps going down and I recall something like a 3 or 4 foot elevation difference between the sidewalk and the skating rink itself. Francis: It is possible that it may have come out differently at the final approval. I know they made some changes. But as far as what I know all the permits and everything were issued, all the elevations were as approved on the final plats. Diane: It is right on line. Bruce: I think what Roger was getting at was the elimination of the potential attractive nuisance. In effect having activity at the ice rink draw people across from Ruby Park mid-block and be J- walking instead of crossing at the corner. And that was the object of having it down. Diane: The rink is going to be down. '~-"'..., Roger: Not 3 or 4 feet. And that is the way it was presented to us. Sara: I remember saying "Oh Center". And Perry said "No. Street you will look down but it is going to be like Rockefeller Not from Durant Street. From Dean not from Durant". Sara: What is going on with our kayak course? Leslie: We have been issued our 404 program. In the Spring when we had all of our high water, the Corp told us we had to block it off this year to protect from the severe high water because our vegetation hadn' t quite taken ahold. So we had to protect our vegetation for another year and we may have to protect it for a couple of years to make sure that the high water doesn't undercut the bank and the willows we planted. We have lost some of our vegetation but we are going to replace it. PUBLIC COMMENTS There were none. MINUTES AUGUST 3. 1993 >~". Sara: I move to approve minutes of August 3, 1993. Roger seconded the motion with all in favor. 2 PZM8.17.93 . CONDOMINIUMIZATION TEXT AMENDMENTS TO CODE Bruce opened the public hearing. Francis Krizmanich, planning: record. Made presentation as attached in Roger: In the definitions do we have long term defined? Francis: No. Roger: Our concept for long term is that it is rented for more than a 6 month period. Bruce: Any time you add language to the code and that language is not defined then you create problems. Francis: You are right. Whether we want to actually describe that and say "Long term means 6 month leases. As it is listed in the code now it is a 6 month minimum lease with 2 shorter occupancies per year. ,r.. Bruce: Put it under the definition section and say "Long term as used in description residential zone districts". Sara: Because this is a statute that has come down from State and they declare that it is not retroactive can it be challenged in the courts locally by former condominium' deed restriction that say "We don't think retroactive-- Francis: They could Challenge it but I would say no I really don't think they could do that because it is a State legislation and we don't have much to do with it except to say we don't want to remove it and the State doesn't require us to. Roger: I came to the meeting predisposed to alternative B. But getting the definition of "long term" in there that supports our case if someone wants to come in later and try to get that restriction off. So I support alternative A. Francis: This regulation grew out of a concern that you have an apartment building that was rented low moderate income housing. And what happens with condominiumization is all of a sudden the owners is selling them off and selling at a higher price and that tends to be second homeowners. And they do that to some extent. I also feel that rents are going to go up regardless of whether it is owned by one person or as a condo. Rents are going to be raised to keep pace with the economy. If you don't keep pace you are going to be displaced anyhow. So it is a little different than a 3 /,,-""". PZM6.17.93 .._. discussion about accessory units being rented to friends and guests and relatives. My own thought is that the market is displacing people more than the condominiumization itself is. I really think it was in a way a misguided approach to resident housing. Bruce: We have had discussions all through this regarding bandit units and all that sort of thing. How we deal with it and not unfairly impinge on property rights of the main house owner would be to try to figure out a way to get these things occupied and monitored. Diane: As we go through the budget process with council I am going to request that we start charging for the review of ADUs ? exempt from planning application with the idea being we--are providing some sort of housing in the community. What we have found is that out of all of these ADUs none of them has registered with the Housing Authority. So we are going to revising that whole program in the next couple of months. Bruce asked for public comments. 1'-' There were no comments and he closed the public portion of the hearing. '--' MOTION Roger: I move to direct the Planning Office to elect alternative A in resolution form to be signed by the Chairman of P&Z with the addition of the definition of long term. Jasmine seconded the motion. Roll call vote: Jasmine, yes, Roger, yes, David, yes, Jake, yes, Sara, yes, Tim, yes, Bruce, yes. EARLY LEARNING CENTER TRANSPORTATION PLAN Leslie made presentation as attached in record. Alice Davis, representative for applicant: Made presentation as attached. /""" Roger: at some existing overhang Concerning the walkway--not necessarily at this moment future time the addition of curb stones outside curb would be able not only identify spaces but keep of the vehicles from the walkway area. but the the '~.._.. 4 PZM6.17.93 """'-,. David: I would like to encourage the elimination of all signage. I agree with Alice that all of the users of the building know where they are going. This oversignage is detracting from the characteristics that are desirable in the west end. Also loading and unloading areas. since the ELC has occupied as far as I am concerned there had to be a specific radon test that talking to a couple of radon consultants about that project they felt that an adult use would be acceptable. The previous radon levels were fairly low and adults were not susceptible to the impact of radon. Children on a single pain glass windows are __?__ there is enough air leakage to allow radon to escape to eliminate high concentrate. MOTION David: I move to approve the Early Learning Center parking plan with conditions #l--The Early Learning Center identify a date for which a property manager will be on board and notify the neighbors and the Planning Department of the selection. /' #2--The ELC shall work with Chuck Roth of the Engineering Dept to increase the width for pedestrians on Bleeker street between the fence and head-in parking giving primary consideration to the use of curb stones--not moving the fence. ~~~.~ #3--The ELC shall update the Commission as to their compliance with other conditions of approval to include what tenants have leased space in the building to date. I would like to bring in the approval the references to signage which is item #2 on the first page. In #2--don't move the fence. Don't move the curb. Just use curb stones or some other low impact solution such as diagonal parking and striping. Tim: As part of the residential permit parking process and as part of the ongoing reformation of the use of the building I think that consideration should be given to using some of the playground as parking. And consolidating the uses of the playground so that they are adjacent to the Waldorf recess or the ELC lower age groups as they recess. I am thinking mainly the west end. And maybe it could be a revenue base. Sell parking permits for residents in the area to use that or use it for staff instead of having designated a parking space on the street. Why not reconfigure the use of the playground and now that it is not going to have the volume of kids in the school ~. 5 .1,0 PZM8.17.93 '- that it had when it needed a playground that size and use the space you have for what you need it for. Tim seconded the motion. Sara: I disagree with David's motion about the signage because I think the loading and unloading area is very important to sign. I know 8 people that park day long in that area. They would rather do that than pay the parking garage. It is a big problem around there and I think you need to designate where the entrance is. Roger: I would like to see some sort of sign indicating that this is where that is located. appropriate to have a Waldorf School sign or ELC itself or near the entranceway. near the entrance And I think it is either on the door Leslie: For a condition of approval--The City shall install loading and unloading signage when ____mumble____. Sara: ? Would the motion maker consider amending his motion that because that is the kind of sign people look for. David: I amend my motion. ."""' Tim: I amend my second. -- Roger: Would you consider amending your motion to allow the addition of mumble David: I would be reluctant to require that of the school. I think it is a good idea and I think a temporary sign for loading and unloading is a good idea. But I would like to put the burden of the cost of that on ____mumble___it is a temporary use Temporary in the sense they are leasing from the school system. Roger: Could it be phrased in the form of a recommendational requirement? David: Absolutely. That is acceptable. I also amend my motion to recommend that the ELC and Waldorf School sign their entrance. Leslie: So that would be your 5th condition of approval that P&Z recommend the ELC and Waldorf School sign their entrance. David: Yes. Tim accepted this recommendation to his second of the motion. All voted in favor of the motion. '-, 6 PZM6.17.93 ASPEN HIGHLANDS VILLAGE GENERAL SUBMISSION REFERRAL This begins at 30.20 on tape 1 side 2 and continues to tape 4 and is available at any time if anyone needs to refer to it. rk - 7