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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19850910 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS SPECIAL MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SEP'l'EMBER 10. 1985 Chairman Welton Anderson called the meeting to order at 5:00 p. m. with Commissioners' Roger Hunt, Al Blonquist, David White, and Jim Colombo present. COMMISSIONERS I COMMEliI'.rS White said the houses in the West End are too big for the lot size. White did not know what to do about it. Anderson said the comparison between the small houses that have been torn down and the new larger houses that are being built is so dramatic that it may appear worse than it really is. Blonquist said a one sentence amendment could be made to make a duplex have the same FAR as a single family residence, the FAR's could be lowered by 10%, and define area as being an average of 8 feet high. Tom Baker, planner, said he would discuss the concern with Alan Richman, Planning Director, and come back to the Commission. MINUTES Motion: Hunt moved to approve the minutes of July 16, 1985; White seconded. All in favor; motion carried. PUBLIC HEARING ASPBN AREA COMPRBHBNSIVE PLAN:.. PARKS/RECRBA'l'ION/OPBN SPACBI'rRAILS ELBMENT Tom Baker, planner, outlined changes suggested by City Council, County Planning andZ oning Commission, the Board of County Commissioners, and Craig Ward of the Nordic Council (outlined in the Planning Office memorandum dated September 10, 1985). Baker said City Council had adopted a Resolution formally endorsing the plan with several changes. City Council's suggestions for changes are outlined in Resolution '85-18. Hunt said he would like the amended objective .6 on page 12 to say "as an example, but not limited to" because another example would be buying a property getting the easement and then sell ing the unused portion. Baker said he could add that wording. White said he had attended the Council meeting and mentioned to them that this Commission was favorable to that thinking. White said we are looking at how to take open space purchases and start to categorize them as to which is most important. Hunt asked white if Council had seemed favorable to the idea. White said it was 1 p RECORD OF PROCBEDINGS SPBCIAL MEBTING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SBP'l'BMBBR 10. 1985 not discussed, he had just mentioned it to Council. Hunt suggested adding the example of buying a piece of property taking the easement then selling the property to the objective. Hunt's suggestion was acceptable to all of the members. Blonquist thought the tourist population should also be defined, as supplemental, in the changes made to page 19. Further making the National Standards inappropriate. Baker said he could add a sentence stating that because of the resort nature of the community and the influx of business in summer and winter it affects the facilities. Blonquist suggested adding the statistics to the Population Comparison chart. Baker said he had looked at the visitor as not influencing alot in terms of the recreational facilities but did have an impact on trails. Baker said he did not want to get too involved in an analysis of the tourist population just to make the point that is being made here, but would gladly put in a sentence about the visitors that skew the population and cause an additional effect on the inadequacy of the National Standards. White thought Blonquist's point was valid because we do not have trail heads out of the city and those kind of things are local and tourist oriented. putting in Blonquist's comment could change this even more, pointing out the fact that when we do things for open space and trails we have to think about .1 the resident, .2 the tourist and how are we serving that tourist or local. Glen Horn, planner, suggested putting an analysis in, giving the visitor population in the summer and winter, and then a discussion of how they use the different facilities. Blomquist said he would 1 ike to amend the Trail Easement Action on page 46 to read: "compile a map, on the City Engineers 1 inch equals 50 foot topographic base map, that shows all city, county, and other publicly owned property, trail easements, utility easements, and other easements". This would develop a map that is exactly the same map that the subdividers will bring in. Anderson commented that subdividers will bring in what ever is the most convenient scale for the surveyors, therefore, there will not be any consistency. Anderson opened the public hearing. Craig Ward, Nordic Council, said in his searches for obtaining easements it would have been a tremendous advantage to know where existing trails and existing easements were. Mr. Ward said he thought a 1 to 50 scal e map would be terrific. Baker moved on to comments made by the County Planning and Zoning Commission, explaining suggestions for changes made by that 2 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS SPBCIAL MEBTING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SEP'l'BMBER 10. 1985 Commission (outlined in Planning Office memorandum dated September 10, 1985). Hunt commented, regarding amendments made to page 11 added condition #17, in the last sentence the wording should remain "direct" and not be converted to read "straight". Blonquist suggested striking the entire last sentence. The Commission agreed with Blonquist's suggestion. Baker explained that County P&Z had suggested adding condition #8 to page 12 as possibly some community service work that the courts may assign to traffic violators or high school programs. Baker said he was also made aware that the Forest Service has a list of volunteers that wish to come and help maintain Forest Service property. Blomquist, in reference to page 26, disagreed that Marolt-Thomas should be totally passive and did not think all athletics should be at Iselin Park. Therefore, Blomquist agreed with the suggested statement from County P&Z and did not bel ieve the statement as written now was true. Anderson agreed with Blomquist in that the highway alignment will have an effect on the parcel and the current statement indicates that it will not. Hunt did not agree with the suggested statement from County P&Z saying it depends on what is significant. Hunt said the current statement says it will be effected, just not significantly effected. The Commission agreed there would be some effect dependent upon the highway alignment. Blonquist thought the paragraph that County P&Z suggested adding to page 34 should be more specific. He suggested changing the last sentence of the paragraph to read: "example for also preserving the Castle Creek and Hunter Creek streambeds, flood ways and riparian zones". Anderson agreed that it should be more specific and had no probl em with Blonquist' s wordage. The Commission agreed. Baker explained the suggestions made by the Board of County Commissioners (outlined in Planning Office memorandum dated September 10, 1985). Blomquist said he would like to add something about bus interface and trail heads to the suggested objective #18, page 11. Baker thought the change should be made to objective #10, on page 10, with additional language. Hunt said he thought the wording "trails manager" should be changed to read "a cognizant department". White questioned whether objective .10 was specific enough. Anderson suggested rather than using the wording "public transit" to use the specific wording "RFTA". Hunt said he preferred using the gener ic pub 1 ic transit because in the future the transit system could change. Baker said he could use public 3 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS SPBCIAL MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SBP'l'BMBER 10. 1985 transit and RFTA. Hunt suggested adding a second line saying: "For example RFTA coordinating with the Parks Department in determining where bus stops are needed along the trail heads". The Commission agreed with Hunt's suggestion. Blomquist thought objective #19, page ll, should be revised to include "to give title to the City of Aspen for any park/open space, to give the easement, and build any required trail to city standards". Anderson said in any subdivision a park dedication fee is extracted and can be extracted in land or in money, based on the bedroom count and the value of the property. Anderson asked Blomquist if he was saying on top of a park dedication fee that they should be required to give extra land and the price of making improvements for that land. Blomquist said he would amend his idea to say within the park dedication fee limits. Baker commented that by leaving the land in private ownership, as open space, we have managed to preserve open space without the liability of maintaining it. In addition, in terms of GMP, it is an easy 3 points if they put the trail in, although it is not required. Hunt commented that the way objective #19 reads if a new duplex is condominiumized, as a development under the subdivision regula- tions, a bike rack will have to be put in front of the duplex. Hunt said the wording needs to be cleaned up. White agreed with Hunt and asked that the Planning Office research these matters to clarify them. Anderson said the matter applies more appropriately to the Trail Easement or Open Space sections of the plan. Hunt thought objective #20, page ll, should also include the wording "where appropriate" at the beginning of the statement. Anderson asked if the statement referred to public buildings as in governmental buildings. Baker replied essentially governmental buildings, where the City has control to put in the bike racks. Baker suggested, under the Trail section, to add a policy that reads: "revise the subdivision regulations to require the developer to construct trails on open space". The Commission agreed. Baker said there had been concern from Commissioner Blonquist and Craig Ward of the Nordic Council that there were trails that should be on the map and are not. Baker outlined the trails on the map and the changes made. Blomquist made several suggestions for new trail links. Baker told the Commission he was suggesting that the changes just outlined be made to the map. 4 RECORD OF PROCEBDINGS SPBCIAL MEBTING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SBP'l'EMBER 10. 1985 Anderson commented he felt as policy the changes look good and should be included in the document. Anderson questioned how much of the proposed change was actually doable and for that reason thought it may be more appropriate as an appendix. White thought an appendix was a good idea. Blomquist said the subdivision ordinance says if there is a trail on the trails master plan then the developer shall dedicate the right-of-way for that trail. Blonquist commented that the reverse of that is also true in that if the trail is not shown the developer has no obligation to provide a trail. By adopting this plan without all of these easements and trails, already obtained, outlined we are saying we no longer need them and have actually transferred a property right. Therefore, we should be very clear about what we are talking about. By adopting this we have taken a legal action that destroys the effectiveness of the subdivision. Baker commented that many of the additions to the trails map are changes in alignment, on public property, and those to the east are a change in the neighborhood plan. Baker also commented that master plans are supposed to be general in nature, to guide the trail easements. Blonquist suggested amending the resolution, in the second 1 ine of Be It Further Resolved, changing the word "supercede" to "supplement" to add a comma at the end of the sentence adding "and that the staff merge said plans on the City Engineers map and present same to this Commission for adoption as part of the pending official City plan". By doing this we have adopted the plan and said it w ill be redrawn when further in to the process of land use, transportation, and the other elements. By adopting this as a supplement to the existing trails master plan everything is covered. Hunt said he liked the idea of adding the map as a supplement to the plan, communicating this is the direction we are going. White agreed. Motion: Hunt moved to adopt Resolution #85-19 as amended including wording in the trails section which deals with responsibility of land acquisition and construction and including the trails map submitted September 10, 1985 as an appendix to the plan, White seconded. Discussion: Hunt thought it should be indicated that the detail on the plans submi tted are subject to change pending other determinations on other elements. Blomquist suggested adding "Be it Further 5 RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS SPECIAL MEETING PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION SEP'l'BMBER 10. 1985 Resolved that this is one element in the Aspen Area Comprehensive Plan; details of which can/w ill change as other elements are developed". Anderson said he thought the statement should be added at the end of the current Be it Further Resolved statement. Hunt and White agreed to amend their motion. All in favor; motion carried. Anderson adjourned the meeting at 7:03 p.m. c:j(~ / uJ~-t Kim Wilhoit, Deputy City Clerk 6