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HomeMy WebLinkAboutcclc.min.062100 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 21, 2000 Chairman Jon Busch, called the meeting to order at 8:45 a.m. In attendance were Eric Cohen and Bill Dinsmoor. Terry Butler and John Starr were excused. COMMISSIONER COMMENTS Bill brought up the issue of the delivery vehicle ordinance not being entbrced. In specifics, the Wheeler alley. The delivery trucks are in the street after 11:00 a.m. and it is difficult to get around them. The trucks need to get in earlier and out on time. Staffwill contact the Parking and Community Safety offices to look into the issue. Eric relayed that the City Market area is worse and the 18-wheelers block the street. Bill asked for clarification of The Caribou Alley in the Brand Bldg. It has DA coverage and the concern is whether it shoul'd be covered or if they got a permit for the canopy/coverage. The entire CCLC board felt that staff should do a site visit occasionally to observe code violations. They feel enforcement should not just be complaint driven. Reports of violations: 1) The store next to Fed-X on Cooper, Little bear antiques have a table and chairs out on the sidewalk. 2) The T-shirt next to double diamond has a rack. 3) Zona has six pieces of furniture on the sideWalk. 4) The Hub has their bikes extending into the sidewalk. 5) Pam Driskol has her statues in the mall at a gallery. Bill said Hyman mall has a statue in the middle of the mall. 6) In & Out has tables. COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 21~ 2000 Bill said one of the concerns of the In & Out house is the lack ora public bathroom. Jon said they are not serving but the concern is what if everyone put furniture out in the public right-of-way. Staff relayed that the In & Out house is corresponding with the gas station regarding their bathroom issue, Bill said the Popcorn Wagon used the public bathrooms but it is private property vs. the public right-of-way. The CCLC suggested that a bench be put in front of the In & Out house. In the past CCLC has never allowed a private business the use of the public right-of-way for vending purposes. What is the appropriate furniture for the public right-of-way? CCLC felt that the furniture should resemble the approved DEPP furniture. Bill was asked by John Sarpa to have a car on the mall. Bill suggested that he check with Tim Ware regarding the taxi space as the CCLC has been denying cars on the mall due to the damage on the mall bricks. The Parks Dept. also has concerns about the weight of the cars on the mall brick. Display outside the Food & Wine tent is a concern. Is it appropriate or was it approved to have someone with a wine blow up bottle march around town. Jon said the Alternative Edge skateboard shop has a neon sign that is visible from the public right-of-way. Staff will forward the complaint to zoning. Jon feels that the enforcement should not have to be totally citizen drive. Staff should take action. It should not have to be CCLC to take action with the different departments to get something done regarding enforcement. Bill complimented the Electric Departmem on the painting of the light polls and the good work that is being done to restore them. COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 2L 2000 Jon: The replaced bricks on Mill Street DEPP project in some areas is too high but nothing can be done as the project is finished. They were laid too rough. Ed Sadler should be informed due to safety issues. INFILL Chris Bendon, senior long range planner relayed that the infill projects will be a six month commitment for the volunteers. Infill development of the commercial area of town will be addressed and the older parts of town. TDR's will be discussed and should we accept them from the county. Affordable housing by-downs will be discussed. Code revisions will also be explored. Jon said his fear regarding the Civic Center is that the people of the Theatre in the Park want to build their performing arts center down in the park. Chris relayed that there are numerous independent issues and all of the issues should be done in a coordinated fashion. The drainage from the Galena Plaza down into the parking garage creates a huge financial maintenance burden. The ways that can be fixed might lead to different opportunities. It is in the order of $100,000 a year to deal with the drainage into the parking garage. The drainage was the initial genesis for the report. The fire station wants to move and the Theatre in the Park. What are all of the issues of city; is the cop shop adequate, is there a need for a detox center? There are enough density issues that need to be addressed in an overall manner. Jon said certainly the Civic Center Master plan needs to look beyond the boarders of the block around city hall to the river. The functions of the Theatre in the Park could be accomplished by an addition to the Wheeler. Eric and Bill will be the representatives on the infill board. COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 21, 2000 MALL LEASE - Hannibal Brown's - Hyman Mall Patrick Hibler informed the board that he has taken over the old Howling Wolf space arid relayed that they will not open until August. The same fence will be used and there will be no wake station due to the damage in the past that has occurred on the mall bricks. It will be relocated at the bottom of the stairs in the patio. It is quite crowded at the top and doesn,t look good. Eric asked about the theme of the restaurant. Patrick relayed that it is "feel good food", healthy food. Pam Goldman, from the Sunflower restaurant in E1 Jebel will be the chef. Free range meat will be served. Hannibal Brown's is the name of the restaurant have Aspen's hiStoric figure during the 20's. He is on the cover of Aspen, the quiet year's book. He was a bootlegger. Live music will occur five nights'a week starting at 9:00 p.m.. Patrick said his concern is balancing the music scene. The interior will be changed extensively. Jon relayed that umbrellas cannot over-hang the fence and NO advertising On the umbrellas is permitted. Bill moved to approve the mall lease for Hannibal Brown~s; second by Jon. All in favor, motion carried. OUTSIDE SEATING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY Nick Lelack, City planner relayed that Randy Woods will be doing infill housing at a work session with I-IPC. The In and Out house applied to Engineering for an encroachment. The Dept. was then notified that an encroachment could not be issued because 4 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 21~ 2000 they had no legal authority to do it, as the municipal code does not allow vending outside the mall area. CCLC supports the revoking of the encroachment license. Nick informed the board that Bentleys called about tables and chairs in the expanded sidewalk on Mill Street. To allow this, would require an amendment to the municipal code. There is also the Historic District to be considered. Jon feels review of outside seating/street furniture is in the purview of the CCLC if it is in the commercial core. Seating could be placed in pedestrian friendly areas and it encourages people to hang out downtown. The CCLC or city could put in benches etc. that do not require vending agreements etc. in the right-of-way. Main Street bakery and Explorer are areas where seating could be placed. The precedent has been set by the DEPP program. Jon reminded the board of bicycle' racks and CCLC paid for some of them and reviewed the placement of the bike racks and a standard style was chosen. Bill relayed his concern of people putting stuffout in the right-of-way. There is a safety issue, trash issue and he has concerns of funding benches in the public right-of-way for commercialization in one way or another. Staff relayed that there should be a standard for all businesses to follow. Jon said more drinking fountains are needed downtown. Eric said the standard should be set with the DEPP design of benches. He also feels that the businesses should be buying the benches. Jon said there are two sides to the issue, if the business is buying the benches they will have a certain sense of ownership in the public-right-of- way. The bicycle racks were a combination of two things: review by CCLC for appropriate placement and people would come in and request one COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 21, 2000 and if the board agreed a bike rack would be placed in that location, pending approval for other departments etc. The In and Out house could come in and relay their concern.for tables and benches and CCLC could review it. This procedure would be pro-active. Street furniture that is an approved design could be a tax credit for giving it to the city. Bill said he has several concerns: He is not sure that CCLC should be funding benches etc. Possible both parties should be involved in the funding. Each area creates another trash pickup area by the city. Auxiliary impacts need to be determined before decisions are made. This entire issue needs thought out, what other businesses would be an outgrowth of this. Para Driskol has art in the mall and Hyman mall has a galle~ selling bronzes in the mall. Staff relayed that Zele' has indoor seating and a public bathroom. Anyone can use there outside seating and it was an open space requirement. Jon said the concept is extending the idea of the bicycle racks throughout town. Eric said if they buy the bench it needs to be noted that it does not belong to the business. Other people can use or sit on the bench. The board felt that ifa new bench is going in the right-of-way the old blue one in the public right-of-way should be removed. Bill said that outside seating for restaurants regarding the DEPP project was never addressed or approved. 6 COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 21, 2000 BENTLEY'S The board felt that the proposed outside seating would encroach into the expanded walkway and they are against it. It is a sidewalk not a mall and liquor should not be served on the sidewalk unless everything is re-thought. Bill said outside seating was never part of the DEPP project. The European concept was discussed but it was denied and the DEPP project is for pedestrian traffic not to fill it up with tables and chairs to support the businesses that had businesses in those areas. Nick said Julie Ann felt it was part of the DEPP concept but was never adopted. Jon said a minimum standard would have to be adopted for public movement if this is pursued. Bentley's is in the historic district. They would have to go down the stairs outside of the fenced area in order to serve alcohol which is illegal. They servers would have to go out into the public right-of-way and back in which is illegal. Frequently patrons drink on the steps which is a violation of the liquor law and the area is not policed. An encroachment license should not be given to people in order to sell their wares in the public right-of-way. Nick relayed that he will explore the issues with the city manager which are: Right-of-way ~ssues Serving alcohol Safety Furniture Fencing Control Health Department Liability COMMERCIAL CORE & LODGING COMMISSION MINUTES OF JUNE 21, 2000 Service Is it worth pursuing a code if there are not spots to accommodate these issues. Jon said Bentley's is unique and it is different bec~iuse it is serving. Jon also said furniture, bike racks are clearly not encroachments, they are amenities for the public. Jon said he and Bill were on the DEPP program and clearly Bentley's was not part of the approval. Bentley's is difficult because the seating cannot be served from Bentley's. Service is an issue. The CCLC feels the In & Out house should remove their furniture because it violates city codes. It will take two months to resolve the problems but in the interim a city bench could be installed. The display of for sale merchandise like Zona, etc. would require a code amendment. A simple request for street furniture in which the business buys is already happening with the purchase of the bike racks, memorial benches etc. The city maintains the furniture. The CCLC unanimously supports the revocation of the encroachment license. MOTION: Jon moved to adjourn; second by Bill. All in favor, motion carried. Meeting adjourned at 10:30 a.m. Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk