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ASPEN PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION - MINUTES
JANUARY 02, 2007
ELECTIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR..................................................... 2
COMMENTS ............................................................................................................ 2
MINUTES .................................................................................................................2
SMUGGLER RACQUET CLUB CONCEPTUAL PUD ........................................ 2
1130 CEMETERY LANE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS
VARIANCES ............................................................................................................ 3
MOTION TO RECONSIDER ASPEN HIGHLANDS VILLAGE PUD
AMENDMENT ACTION....:.................................................................................... 5
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Ruth Kruger opened the Planning & Zoning Meeting at 4:30 in Council Chambers.
Commissioners present were Steve Skadron, John Rowland, Dylan Johns and Ruth
Kruger. Brian Speck was excused. Staff present were Jessica Garrow, Chris
Bendon Community Development; Jackie Lothian, Deputy City Clerk.
Ruth Kruger asked if there were any waivers that could be done for Ron Erickson
to get back on P&Z because of his knowledge ofthe code and longevity in town.
Chris Bendon replied that would be a charter amendment that would have to go to
a city vote.
ELECTIONS FOR CHAIR AND VICE-CHAIR
MOTION: Steve Skadron nominated Ruth Kruger as Chair person and Dylan
Johns as Vice-Chair; seconded by John Rowland. All infavor, APPROVED.
COMMENTS
Ruth Kruger asked if the other commissioners and staff were planning on a get
together for Jasmine for all of her years of service on P&Z. Jackie Lothian will
meet with Joyce next week.
Chris Bendon wished the commissioners a Happy New Year. Bendon said that on
January 16th staff was hoping to schedule a lunch meeting with P&Z and HPC and
Norrie Winter.
Steve Skadron asked if the Chart House was part of the Dancing Bear several years
ago. Chris Bendon replied at the time it was not.
MINUTES
MOTION: Steve Skadron moved to approve the minutes of December 19, 2006;
seconded by Dylan Johns. Ruth Kruger abstained. All infavor, APPROVED.
Chris Bendon noted that the agenda order will be reversed for C, A & B.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING:
SMUGGLER RACQUET CLUB CONCEPTUAL PUD
Ruth Kruger opened the public hearing. Jessica Garrow stated the applicant was
revising the entire application and requested a continuance to February 6th.
MOTION: John Rowland moved to continue the Smuggler Racquet Club
Conceptual PUD to Feb. 61\ seconded by Steve Skadron. All infavor,
APPROVED.
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PUBLIC HEARING:
1130 CEMETERY LANE RESIDENTIAL DESIGN STANDARDS
VARIANCES
Ruth Kruger opened the public hearing for 1130 Cemetery Lane. Jessica Garrow
said this was a hearing for the residential design standards variances for a new
duplex, which requires 3 residential design standards variance; for the garage
width, garage setback and the entry door setback. Garrow said that staff did not
support the granting of the requested variances.
Garrow said the standards state the width of the living area on the first floor shall
be at least five (5) feet greater than the width of the garage or carport. The
proposal includes a garage width offorty-three (43) feet (each garage is 21 Yz feet
wide) and the living area is approximately 25 feet; there were other ways to
accommodate vehicles on this lot and there was a large discrepancy between the
amounts of garage that faced the road as opposed to the living area that faced the
road.
Garrow said the second variance was garage setback; the standard states the garage
shall be setback almost 10 feet further from the street than the front most wall of
the house. The proposed design shows the garages are forward of the living area;
staff recommends denial of the variance for the garage setback. The design does
not minimize the presence of garages on the street as the intent of the standard.
Garrow stated the 3rd variance request was for entry door setback; the standard
states that the entry door shall face the street and be no more than 10 feet back
from the front most wall of the house. The proposed design shows both garages
forward of the living area; staff recommends denial of the requested variance
because there were other ways to accommodate cars on this site.
Glen Horn stated that he was here on behalf of Gideon Kaufman and Carole
Hershey. Barbara Long was the architect on the project. Horn described the area
and said that P&Z reviewed the adjacent lot for John Elmore and Jack Miller and
across the street was the elevated bike path. Horn said that given the topography
most owners will spend time in their back yards; there was not a lot of pedestrian
activity for this lot or the lots across at Pitkin Mesa, which are above on the mesa.
Horn explained that Cemetery Lane bordered the front of the lot and there were
topographic changes on the lots. Horn said that standards could be varied when
there was an appropriate design or pattern of development considering the context
in which the development is proposed and purpose of the particular standard; in
evaluating the context the reviewing board may consider the relationship of the
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proposed development with the adjacent structures on the immediate neighborhood
setting or a broader vicinity as the board feels is necessary to determine if the
exception is warranted. Horn said the photos showed the topography of the lot and
how difficult it would be to construct driveways and get vehicles to the back of the
lot.
Horn said that in the application there were 17 photos of the Cemetery Lane
Snowbunny neighborhood and the way the garages work there on the suburban
neighborhood having the garages front onto the street. Horn said there was a side
loading garage, which looks residential in nature; there was even a front door.
Horn said the amount of space devoted to the front porch was 150 feet, which was
triple the amount and 38% was single story when only 28% was required by the
design guidelines. Horn said the architects have gone to great lengths to exceed
the standards with respect to the front porches and the single story elements.
Horn submitted letters into the record from Doug McPherson, Chet Winchester,
John Elmore, Hans Schwarz and Howie Mallory; all were in support of the request
for the variance. These were all neighbors that lived in the Cemetery Lane area.
Ian Long stated that they made numerous visits to the building department and it
was ajoint effort for the idea to do the side loading garage.
Horn asked the commission to think about the street in front (on Cemetery Lane)
and the hill that goes down just from this property and it was safer to have the cars
on the property in garages because they can turn around on the property.
Steve Skadron asked what more could be done to satisfy staff under this
configuration. Jessica Garrow replied the reasons these variances were required
because the garages were forward and staff does not feel that there were significant
constraints for the garages to be forward; why not bring them back and the living
area forward.
No public comments.
Dylan Johns said these were the same issues that the commission always runs in to
on Cemetery Lane; he did not think that this neighborhood was configured in any
way with the design guidelines. Johns supported the variance because there were
adequate neighborhood contacts and specific site constraints such as the presence
of the bottom of the hill, the slope, and visibility issues.
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Steve Skadron said that he was sensitive to the application of globally applying
design standards but he could not support the variances because he agreed with
staff. Skadron said that he thought there was a way to reconfigure this
development to meet the constraints of the property.
John Rowland agreed with Dylan on this and apologized to staff for not agreeing
with them. Rowland said he did not think the residential design guidelines should
be blanketing all the parcels in town; there had to be some flexibility.
Ruth Kruger said that she typically supported staff recommendations however the
rear garages were more appropriate for areas with alleyways and there was no alley
access to this property. Kruger agreed with Dylan's comments on the appropriate
design or pattern of the buildings and this was consistent with the neighborhood
and there were site constraints which would allow support of this variance.
MOTION: John Rowland moved to approve Resolution #002, series 2007
approving the three (3) Residential Design Standards variances requested by
Gideon Kaufman to construct a duplex on the property located 1130 Cemetery
Lane; seconded by Dylan Johns. Roll call vote: Skadron, no; Johns, yes;
Rowland, yes; Kruger, yes. APPROVED 3-1.
CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING:
MOTION TO RECONSIDER ASPEN HIGHLANDS VILLAGE PUD
AMENDMENT ACTION
Ruth Kruger opened the continued hearing for the motion to reconsider Aspen
Highlands Village PUD Amendment Action.
Jessica Garrow noted this was the continuance of the reconsideration for a change
in use in Building 2 at Aspen Highlands PUD. At the hearing on December 5th
Hearing P&Z voted to approve an amendment to the PUD for the construction of a
mini golf course at that same hearing P&Z voted 2 in favor and 3 against on a
resolution to approve a change in use for Building 2. At the December 19th
Planning & Zoning Meeting staff requested that the commission make a motion to
reconsider the application in order to clarify the action that had been taken on
December 5th. Stafffelt this was needed because at the time of the December 5th
meeting they were operating under an interpretation that said that a motion that did
not pass with a positive vote then it was not an action and all boards need to take
an action. Garrow said that there was a request to reconsider the motion and it was
determined that the meeting needed to be continued to today for all of the board
members to get up to speed. Staff does not support the change in use because it
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does not meet the goals of the AACP; the PUD was approved with a certain
amount of mixed use including a certain amount of retail space. Garrow said this
change in use would eliminate 15% of the existing retail space at Highlands; this
space was at grade in a prominent location along the pedestrian walkway and staff
did not feel this was an appropriate location for residential space. Garrow stated
the resolution was worded to deny so the record was clear.
Glen Horn said that Bob Daniel can speak to some of Dylan's questions about
leasing this space and the issues associated with that. Bob Daniel representing the
applicant stated that they have tried to get retail into that space and recently they
have turned to office space use. Daniel asked for the commission to weigh does
commercial space end up with the same result as retail or is it closer to a free
market residential unit in terms of usage. Daniel said that parking was a limiting
factor to the marketing ofthat space for commercial; it was a relatively big space
with between 4 and 6 parking spaces in the parking structure allotted to that space,
which limits what type of tenant can be placed in that space.
John Rowland said there was talk about rent ability and length of time the space
has been vacant. Horn replied that it has been vacant ever since they received the
certificate of occupancy, which was in 2002. Horn said ll25 square feet of this
space was identified for a condominium meeting room, the remainder of the space
was given a CO for commercial space. Horn said no interior partition walls have
been installed it was all one space (3200 square feet plus the 1125 square feet).
Horn said the Condominium meeting space was never acquired by the Ritz Carlton
for meeting space. Rowland asked what the last marketing effort to rent it was.
Daniel replied that in general there were food services and other commercial that
do not require foot traffic; one of the biggest expenses at Highlands was the
common area maintenance because of the service that Highlands provides, which
was between $12.00 and $17.00 a square foot before base rent.
Dylan Johns asked if the landlord was paying the CAM (condo association
maintenance). Daniel replied currently; it was much like dues for a homeowners
common area expenses and would not increase the CAM costs for the other
retailers or homeowners. Kruger said what makes the maintenance costs so high is
that everything is snow melted.
Public Comments:
1. George Sabinski stated that he owned 5 properties at Aspen Highland Village
and was a member of the town home association; he just learned about this from
the newspaper yesterday and was not notified of this change in use. Sabinski said
the applicant has done a great job with this planned unit development; a terrific
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concept and example of partnership between the developer and the municipality to
create a new and vibrant community with a whole new village. Sabinski suggested
postponing the change in use vote because the stakeholders who have invested in
these units would like to work with the developer to create the vitality and
vibrancy that was originally anticipated and promised to these stakeholders.
Steve Skadron said his feelings for a change in use from retail to free market does
contradict the original intent of the PUD and he could not support this. Skadron
said it serves to eliminate the possibility of any kind vitality in the future.
Dylan Johns stated there were things that could be done to potentially use this
space; the parking situation was not any worse than downtown Aspen. Johns said
that if it were rented as office space it would be potentially a lot easier to convert
from office back to retail space. Johns said that he was not at a point where all
other avenues have been exhausted.
John Rowland said that he loved Highlands Ski Area but he believed the Village
had some shortcomings that need to be addressed to get that vitality. Rowland
suggested that this building obtain a mixed use. Garrow responded that it was a
PUD. Rowland said that he would like to ensure flexibility in whatever vote was
taken.
Ruth Kruger agreed that once it was converted to residential it would remain
residential. Kruger said with the amount of square footage of this space it could
maybe house 40 people in an office and she said it would bring vitality but she
doubted that 40 people would take the bus to Highlands to go to work. Kruger said
some people think once you get outside the round about that you could be in
another state. Kruger said this space has been vacant for 4 years and she couldn't
give the space away; they did a lot of marketing. Johns said that he did not
disagree that it would be a tough retail space to fill. Kruger said it was in the Ritz
building adjacent to residential at the end of the mall; she said there was no walk
by traffic but rather a destination location with no parking. Kruger said it was
social engineering to have parking this way and it was not a functional retail
location. Kruger said it would be a great idea to make it mixed use. Johns said
that he wanted further options.
Horn said that Bob would pursue the office option because if you got someone
there you would not loose it forever to residential; it would be commercial. Horn
asked if that condo meeting room switches to the category of commercial thereby
making it in the commercial/office pool. Horn said that they and staff could write
a recommendation. Daniel said that 1125 square feet conversion could off set
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some costs. Johns asked if the space has been finished. Daniel provided the
history on the space, which was a condominium room that was attached to that
building that was anticipated that the 73 tourist accommodation units would be in a
pool and might need a meeting space but subsequently they went through
timeshare approval process. Daniel said that after the PUD and Timeshare
approval they did not want this meeting space and did not need the space because
they had other meeting space. Horn said that they could write that up.
Chris Bendon said this was a good solution because it does not remove the
commercial space as a long term consequence for the potential vitality and staff
viewed this as an interesting opportunity. Bendon provided option to proceed as
analyzing the proposal and the credits for mitigation and come back with a more
formal response; another option in terms of how to proceed would be, if
comfortable with the proposal, would be to make a motion contingent on the
representations concerning employee mitigation and you could see the follow up
resolution. Bendon said if the commission wanted to see a staff response to a
formal proposal then this hearing could be continued.
Skadron asked if there was a definition of commercial. Bendon responded that
staff would add to this. Garrow replied in the PUD there was a list of what can go
in the spaces, which can be provided.
Johns said that assuming the credits were there he didn't need a lot of
documentation. Daniel said they were documented with Housing.
MOTION: Dylan Johns moved to continue the public hearingfor the Aspen
Highlands to February 6th; seconded by Steve Skadron. All infavor, APPROVED.
Meeting adjourned.
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,{l kie Lothian, Deputy City Clerk
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