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RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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REGULAR MEETING
JUNE 23, 1981
PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION
The Planning and Zoning Connnission held a regualarmeeting~Qn~June,23, .1981 .at 5:00 p.m.
in the Council Chambers. This meeting was continued from June 16, 1981 due to a lack
of a quaram. Present at the June 23rd meeting were Olof Hedstrom, Perry Harvey, Lee Pardee,
Jasmine Tygre and Al Blomquist.
Approval of
Minutes
commissioner
Comments
Public Hearing
ute city
Preliminary
Plat
Submission
Olof asked for a motion to table the minutes as no one had a chance to
read them yet. Perry Harvey so moved. Lee Pardee seconded the motion.
All in favor, motion carried.
Perry Harvey connnended the planning office on a well thought out and consice
report. Olof Hedstrom concurred.
Sunny Vann of the planning office then apologized for the length of the
agenda, explaining that it represents a couple of items carrie(Love:!O~'ftom
previous agendas. The postponement of the June 16th meeting also added
to the length of the meeting.
Bob Newfelden, applicant, stated that he was negotiating lease arrangements
with the main Post Office to do theatre. Because the .time elemen~ is~very
important Mr. Newfelden was requesting that his application be heard at
the present meeting.
Alan Richman stated that as a public hearing a new precedent should be
set in that the Planning Office would like to 'estii.blish,a"pUblic.'l'lea~ing
record and enter the Aspen Area General Plan, 1966, as amended, the
Municipal Code, Alan's memorandum and any attachments to the record so
that there are supporting materials in the record of proceedings.
Alan explained that the Ute City preliminary Plat is in the RF-Zone, a
15,000 square foot lot, location 923 of 909 Cooper St. between the
Cooper Apartments and the Hungarian Lodge. It is one of the three
projects approved by the Connnission on the 1981 GMP competition.
Mr. Richman stated that the Connnission had not seen this project at the
conceptual level again because the planning office had pushed it on
through to "conceptual before Council" since the P&Z had already heard
the concept. There were six conditions on the approval inVOlving water
system service, curb cut on Highway 82, sidewalk, air quality and energy
considerations, landscaping and mass and bulk considerations with regard
to the REO and the ability of the historic structure to be preserved
or destroyed. Alan Richman went on to say that the applicant is requesting
several of these at the same time and he (Alan Richman) hopes to 3tream-
line the process and get the project built in time. Included in those
requests are preliminary plat, RBO, exception from subdivision for employee
units and condominiumization. The proposal is 22 units 12 of which are
to be deedrestricted to low income, 2 to moderate income and 8 free market
units, which is exactly what was proposed in the original GMP.
In terms of the preliminary plat Alan explained that the Planning office
had first looked at the conditions of the conceptual approval which the
applicant has adressed. The water system agreement has been provided
through the applicant and Jim Markalunas, water superintendent. The
applicant has no problem with the curb cut conditions or the sidewalk
conditions.. He has also agreed to the air quality and,eII"rgy:.c<:mservation
conditions. However, the landscaping and mass 'and bulk question is
one the commission will need to look at closely. The applicant has
a landscaping proposal and the mass and bulk will be considered in
relationship to the REO. Alan explained that in order to get the
density proposed at the site there is a very massive, bulky structure.
In terms of the Building Dept.'s review Herb Paddock, inspector,
found the present building at the site impossible to move, the building
has since been demolished. Other features of the preliminary plat
include the fact that there is no variance requested in terms of parking,
the proposal in general meets the original proposal under GMP applications
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Alan continued by saying that he felt it was important that it is
walking distance from the CBD into the general center of the city.
The city electric dept. requested provision of the load requirement
for the electric service, which the planning office did not know.
Therefore there were several conditions set for reccmrendation of
approval, II"Ost being the actions requested at the conceptual level.
The applicant was asked to pay his share of the cost of the water system
improverrent, that he meet the conditions of the =b cut, provide the
sidewalk, provide the electric dept. with information about the loads for
the project and follow GMP sul::mission and that the applicant also
agree to pay the park dedication fees for the 8 free market tUlits, which
'<IDuld be completed prior to the final plat as part of the subdivision
agreement.
Al Blcmquist confirrtEd that the fireplaces '<IDuld be in the 8 free market
tUlits. Lee Pardee reiterated the excellence of the application saying
that he hoped other applications will be prepared with the sane detail.
Olof Hedstrom then opened the public hearing. Perry Harvey asked what
the applicant was doing in tenus of landscaping to minimize the impact
of the mass of the project. The applicant explained that there '<IDuld be
a sunken area in front, planting, sod, a sunken court area in the back,
as well as screening from the parking from the street. Roger asked
about the exterior of the building. The applicant stated that there
was an interior roof drain so the roof is pitched towards the interior
roof drain.
Perry Harvey II"Oved to approve the prelimainary plat for ute City
Place 923 909 Cooper conditioned upon the five items from city electric
departrrent rremJ, June 11, 1981, and additionally that the applicant
agree to pay park dedication fees for the 8 free market tUlits. Lee Pardee
seconded the II"Otion. All in favor, II"Otion carried.
The second request made by Ute City Place or the applicant is the rezoning
application to residential bonus overlay. The first considerations were
whether the applicant needs the basic requirements, whether the applicant
is in the proper zone to sul::mit, if the applicant has the proper area/bulk
requirerrents to sul::mit etc. The applicant did meet all of the above,
requirements. Alan Richman layed out for the conrnission the "requirerrent
in the district that the studio ~~lil~ will be 500 feet
one bedroom - 625 square feet and 2 bedroom 1050 square feet.
The application shows six studios, 12 one-bedrooms and four
two-bedrooms for a total of 14,700 square feet on a 15,000
square foot parcel. If there were no REO, the applicant would
be eligible for 12 one-bedrooms or instance.
Richman said the FAR in the RMF wJ."th an REO J.'s 1 25 1 wh h
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on this site would be 18,750; the applicant is proposing 15,876
square feet so they are under the FAR. Richman said the
applicant is meeting the setbacks and the height limitations.
The7e is no open space requirement. The applicant is proposing
a mJ.x of low and moderate income units. Richman said the
Code ?oes not allow for an applicant to charge for the space
that J.S larger than specified in the GMP. Richman said the
prices presented are extremely reasonable.
The applicant has requested that the guidelines which will be
pre~ented i~ October 1981 are the ones that should apply to this
proJect. RJ.chman said there are eight criteria by which to
review an REO. Richman said this project is easily serviced.
It is compatible with the multi-family surrounding neighborhood.
As far as compliance with the adopted housing plan, this is
provided a mix of size and of prices as well as rental and
sale units, which is desirable.
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This does meet the dispersal of deed restricted units into an area predominantly
fr~e m~rket. In term~ of social impact, there will be a doubling of density,
Wh1Ch 1S a tr~de off 1n RBOs. John LaSalle, representing the applicant, said
the~ have a d1fferent request for the housing guidelines to apply to this
p:oJect. T~e developer would like the most recent guidelines to apply at the
t1me the un1t~ are rea~y f?r occupancy. These units will not be ready for
Occupancy unt1l some t1me 1n 1982. The planning office is saying the guidelineE
that sh?uld apply are those established in 1980 escalated by the 8 per cent.
Thes~ w1l be, l~ ~ears old when ready for occupancy. La Salle said the economic
marg1n for v1ab1l1ty on this project is very close.
Richm~n said the precedent is to restrict them to the guidelines in effect at
th~ t1me,of approval,with the appropriate yearly percent increases. Harvey
sa1d he 1~ sympathet1c to the developers cost analysis. Harvey said he did
not feel 1t a precedent to set the guidelines for 1982 because these won't
be oc~upied u~til then. Harvey said given the RBO philosophy, the city is
award1ng appl1cants for employee housing.
P~rdee moved t? :eco~end approval of the Ute City Place RBO subject to the
f1rst two cond1t1ons 1n the planning office memorandum of June 11, 1981;
seconded by Harvey. All in favor, motion carried.
Richman told the Commission the applicant is requesting ex~~ption of the
employee units from GMP. There are some review criter1a, llRe determ1nation
of community needs. The criteria have been addressed in previous reviews of
this proj ect.
Harvey moved to recommend exemption of the employee units from GMP for the
Ute City project, conditioned upon applicant agreeing sales and rental prices
not to exceed maximum square footage limitations in section 24-11.4(b) (3) (cc);
applicant agreeding to deed restrict the 14 employee units to the appropriate
guidelines in place at time of approval of the RBO and exemption from GMP by
Council, with annual price adjustments approved by the city; applicant provid-
ing deed restrictions limiting the six studios and six one bedrooms to low
income and deed restrictions on the 2 two-bedroom units to moderate; seconded
by Pardee. All in favor, motion carried.
Richman said the applicant is asking for the flexibility to condominiumize the
project. There are two units being displaced. 923 East Cooper was unoccupied
for five years and was demolished. 909 East Cooper was owned occupied until
the property was purchased and has been short-termed since then at prices
outside the guidelines. There is no net reduction in the employee housing but
will result in an increase of employee housing. LaSalle said P & Z should
consider whether six month minimum leases are appropriate. The free market
units are expensive, and the ability to sell them to subsidize the employee
units should not be restricted by leases restrictions. City Attorney Taddune
said P & Z does not have a choice, this is a requirement of the Code. However,
this point has been brought up before.
Pardee moved to recommend condominiumization of Ute City Place subject to six
month minimum leases and no more than two shorter tenancies per year; seconded
by Harvey. All in favor, motion carried.
BUILDING INSPECTIONS PRIOR TO CONDOMINIUMIZATION
Alan Richman said P & Z has wanted the information regarding life, health and
safety inspections but does not want the power to determine whether the findings
are appropriate or not. The Board of Appeals should be the avenue of appeal.
Richman said attaching a condition of compliance with the building inspector's
list is redundant. The building inspector has numerous ways to get compliance.
Harvey said the life, health and safety ordinance is far too vague; it does
not set any guidelines, leaves it up to the building inspector. The P & Z
should either make this ordinance specific in terms of items that must be
corrected. As the originating body of this requirement, P & Z has the
responsibility to hear violations and set the parameters.
Pardee said technicalities of the UBC should not be argued in front of P & Z
and Council. Pardee said if applicants are being abused, the P & Z can comment
to the building department. Hedstrom said it is an encroachment on the
responsibilities of another department if P & Z starts making decisions on
structural matters. This would be exceeding the authority of the P & Z.
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Taddune said requiring an application to be reviewed to determine whether the
building will meet the requirements of the building code is a dangerous
direction to be heading. Taddune recommended P & Z adopted Richmans' sugges-
tion. Blomquist said he agreed with not requiring compliance but merely having
an informational report. Gideon Kaufman said the building department gets
very busy, and if the report is not complete applications for condominiumiza-
tion get put off for a long time. Richman said the planning office will not
attach a condition of compliance with the building inspector's recommendation,
and the inspection will take place during the pre-application phase. Pardee,
Harvey, Tygre and Hedstrom favored this approach.
VICENZI/GOLDSTEIN SUBDIVISION EXCEPTION
Ms. Tygre stepped down. Alan Richman, planning office, said P & Z has heard
this previously; it was tabled for the applicant's attorney to review the
building inspectors list. Gideon Kaufman said there are items on the building
inspector's list that have been previously waived by the Boards of Appeals in
1969, and it is illegal to require them to redo things the Board of Appeals
waived. Pardee said the avenue of appeal is to go back to the Board of Appeals.
Hedstrom pointed out the P & Z has just decided to hear these appeals would
be exceeding their authority.
Kaufman said one of the conditions is to construct a five foot wide sidewalk on
Hyman avenue. This would only go to an empty lot. Kaufman said it would be
more applicable to require a sidewalk when there is going to be one adjoining
it. Pardee said requiring this sidewalk is starting somewhere. Hunt said
in the downtown area sidewalks should be required.
Pardee moved to recommend approval of subdivision exception for the purposes
of condominiumization of the Vicenzi/Goldstein located at 300 South Spring
street with the five conditions in the planning office memorandum of May 27,
1981; seconded by Blomquist.
Pardee asked why conditions 4 and 5 are in this memorandum. Kaufman pointed
out P & Z had removed these at a previous meeting.
Pardee amended his motion to include the first 3 conditions in the planning
office; seconded by Blomquist. All in favor, motion carried.
VICENTI BUILDING SUBDIVISION EXCEPTION
Alan Richman said this was tabled at a previous meeting because it was noted
there was a previous rental history. A unit was located on the property until
May 1980, it was rented outside the housing guidelines. This unit was moved
to A.C.E.S,was donated and is used as employee housing. An audience member
said there is not adequate parking, the parking approved by the building
department has not been put up. Richman said that is one of the conditions
to provide four usable parking spaces.
Pardee moved to recommend approval of subdivision exception for the purposes
of condominiumization of the Vicenti at 1015 East Hyman avenue subject to
and conditioned upon the four items in the June 10, 1981 memorandum; seconded
by Ms. Tygre. All in favor, motion carried.
GRUENBERG STREk~ MARGIN REVIEW
Gideon Kaufman presented a map showing the proposed changes. The Gruenbergs
need to expand their house. The house falls within the 100 foot stream
margin review so P & Z has to review. The house has been where it is for
15 years. The bulk of the building is away from the river and outside the
stream margin review area. Kaufman said they are willing to comply with the
engineering department requirements.
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Jack JOhnson, planning office, said the staff is supportive of this applica-
tion with three conditions.
Hunt moved to approve the Gruenberg stream marging review with conditions 1,
2, and 3 in the planning office memorandum dated 16 June 1981; seconded by
Harvey. All in favor, motion carried.
Hunt moved to table the Werning subdivision exception; seconded by Ms. Tygre.
All in favor, motion carried.
VALLEY DUPLEX SUBDIVISION EXCEPTION
Colette Penne, planning office, told P & Z this is lot 11, block 1, Pitkin Mesa
subdivision. Lot size is 15,610 square feet, zoned R-15. The applicant first
applied in May 1979 but was not carried through the process because of
parking. Since then, the applicant has obtained an easement for parking. The
structure has 3138 square feet, the upper unit has five bedrooms and 1500
square feet, the lower units has four bedrooms and about the same size. Ms.
Penne said for the past four years the unit has been owner occupied and neither
unit used as a rental unit. These units should not be deed restricted but
should be subject to six month rental restrictions. The duplex is a non-
conforming structure as 10,000 square feet per unit is required in R-15; this
does not effect condominiumization. The building department did an inspection.
Blomquist suggested a note on the plat that this structure is non-conforming
for any future work on this structure.
Hunt moved to recommend subdivision exception of the Valley duplex for the
purposes of condominiumization conditioned on items 1 and 2 of the planning
office recommendation in the memo 10 June 1981, condition 3 the non-compliance
of the structure be so noted on the plat and any other legal documents
concerning condominiumization; seconded by Ms. Tygre. All in favor, motion
carried.
EDMONDSON/FLYNN/SYKES SUBDIVISION EXCEPTION
Jack JOhnson, planning office, told P & Z this is a request to condominiumize
property in the 700 block of West Francis. The lot is 9,000 square feet and
there are three existing structures on the lot. The engineering department
has requested a sidewalk, curb and gutter improvement district and an
encroachment license for the fences in the city's right-of-way. Units 1 and 3
are in the sideyard setback and require one-hour fire protection for walls and
windows. Johnson said this property has a lot of non-conformities, setbacks,
minimum lot area per dwelling unit. Condominiumization does not address
non-conformity of converting structures. Johnson said all current occupants
are owners. The only restriction that would apply is the six month minimum
leases. Johnson said these buildings are at the maximum and none of the
structures could be expanded.
Pardee moved to recommend approval of the subdivision exception for the
purposes of condominiumization of the Edmondson/Flynn/Sykes property in the
700 block West Francise, lots E,F,G, block 15, with the conditions stated in
the planning office memorandum dated June 16, 1981; also that the plat reflect
all three structures are non-conforming; and that this item not proceed to
Council until the building department has conducted its inspection; seconded
by Hunt. All in favor, motion carried.
USE DETERMINATION - THEATER AS AN ASSEMBLY HALL, PERMITTED USE IN C-l
Alan Richman, planning office, said this is a request to use the old Post
Office building in the C-l zone. The applicant wanted to put the Aspen
Professional Theatre at this location for classes and performances just for
this summer. Council was supportive of this request but had no method to
allow this use. Assembly halls are permitted in the C-l district, and if
P & Z finds that theatre classes and performances is what is meant by an
assembly hall, the applicant can go ahead. Richman pointed out there is a
theatre in the C-l district - the Playhouse. Richman said another criteria
is whether the use is local oriented or tourist oriented. Surveys show
attendance has been 2/3 locals in the past.
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Richman said if P & Z makes this use determination, it is not for the short
term solution of this applicant but is forever. The CC zone district does
have theatres as permitted uses. When restaurants were permitted in C-l, it
was an erosion of the difference between the two zones. Richman said the
position of the planning office is to support the integrity of the zone
districts; therefore, must oppose this application. If P & Z feels the
interpretation of assembly hall is a theatre, it would be a permitted use.
Richman said the applicant proposes to use on-street parking and City Market
parking. The staff does not feel that is adequate for the use.
Richman said the staff has no problems with a non-profit arts use of this
on a temporary basis, but due to erosion of the zone districts recommends
denial. Taddune said this is a policy determination for the Board due to
the temporary, non-profit nature of the use. Herb Paddock, building inspector,
said from the building code, they would define this use as an assembly hall.
Pardee said he is inclined favorably because of temporary nature, non-profit,
and the definition of assembly hall in UBC. Pardee asked the applicant if
he has discussed sharing City Market's parking lot. Bob Neufeld said he has
not but does not believe there will be a parking problem.
Hunt said although he does not have a problem with this application, it is a
further erosion of the C-l zone. Sunny Vann, planning director, suggested
structuring the interpretation of assembly hall to this exact use.
Pardee moved to define assembly hall as a permitted use within the C-l zone
because the operation will appeal mainly to -locals, because' of, thee-temporary
nature, because it is a temporary nature; seconded by Ms. Tygre. All in
favor, with the exception of Hunt. Motion carried.
COMMERCIAL GMP CODE AMENDMENTS
Alan Richman, planning office, said there is a September 1st deadline for
commercial GMP applications. All applicants have been informed of proposed
amendments. Blomquist said he would like to see the quota cover all commercial,
office, N/C, SiC/I, etc. and hold to 24,000 square feet for all commercial
zones as above. Vann said he has a problem arbitrarily reducing the quota as
it came out of the growth management analysis. The Code requires that unused
quota be carried over for possible distribution, however, it does not have to
be used. Vann said the city is getting too much building and a lot of
pressure in the 0, office zone. Vann said he would like P & Z to extend the
coverage to the 0, office zone district; the quota be maintained at 24,000
square feet and that no unused quota be allocated for this year's competition.
Blomquist said he would like all commercial activity in zones 0, CL, NC, SCI
be subject to the GMP quota. Hedstrom agreed. Harvey said he did not feel
these could be lumped together and scored equitably in competition with each
other. Harvey suggested having separate competitions for the different-type
commercial zones. Blomquist said if the city is going to have growth manage-
ment, it should be in all zones. Hunt and Pardee agreed, Ms. Klar agreed.
Blomquist said the quota at 24,000 square feet should be kept for all commercial
zone districts. Blomquist noted that between 1,000 and 2,000 tourists pillows
have disappeared, so the economic base for massive commercial growth is not
present.
Vann recommended if the GMP is extended to all zones, some flexibility of the
unused quota should be retained. The P & Z agreed. Kaufman said he does not
have a problem with the extension of the quota but the time frame it is being
done in as the competition is in less than three months. Hedstrom agreed the
timing is not great. Vann said the GMP submission date could be changed for
this year.
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Ms. Tygre said she felt the inclusion of employee housing in the commercial
core is a benefit, rather than an accessory use. Kaufman pointed out there is
a problem with the noise factor and residential uses. Pardee said the largest
generator of employees is the commercial uses, and they should have to provide
housing. Richman said this change is adding the flexibility of on- or off-site.
Ms. Tygre said she feels only low income employee units should be exempted
from growth management; Hedstrom and Blomquist agreed. Vann said the housing
plan looks at housing different categories of employees. Hunt said he would
prefer to ask for the type of units that are needed at the time.
Hedstrom said the points in locally oriented services should be wiped out as
there is no way to enforce this provision. This is up to the zone categories.
The P & Z agreed, zap that section. Vann said that adequacy of services should
be added due to increasing the size of increased coverage. The P & Z agreed
with historic features/HPC review section. Vann said the applicant's previous
performance is a category requested by the P & Z to keep applicants from
getting a GMP allocation and then sitting on it. This recommends unless a
building permit is obtained, an applicant is not allowed to compete. Blomquist
said he would rather see each Commission member have discretionary points for
anything important to that member.
Vann said the amendment criteria is to clarify when an applicant must come
back to P & Z when they change their application. The Commission approved the
five conditions in this section. Pardee brought up very small commercial
expansions, and right now the P & Z has no way to deal with these. Pardee
requested the staff come back with a recommendation.
Hunt moved to adjourn at 8:10 p.m.; seconded by Ms. Klar. All in favor,
motion carried.
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