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RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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FCRM\O c. r. HOECKtL B. B. a: l. CJ.
Aspen Planning and Zoning commission
October 19, 1982
Acting chairman Welton Anderson called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m.
with commissioners Jasmine Tygre, Al Blomquist, Lee Pardee, and Roger
Hunt present.
commissioner
Comments
Roger Hunt mentioned that an area off of Cemetary Lane
was again being used as a used car lot. Alan suggested
the staff research ways to adopt a 200 foot set back
along Highway 82 from the bridge westward. As areas are
annexed they would automatically be subject to the 200
foot set back on Highway 82, which could also be implemented
within the city limits and east of town.
Little
Victorians
Subdivision
Exception
Colette Penne informed the commission that the Little
Victorians are located at 634 W. Main St. The applicants
are requesting an exception from subdivision for the
purpose of condominiumization. For the past eighteen months
all of the units have rented outside of the middle income
value which is the planning office's highest guideline
at 829 a square foot. The lowest rent charged for the
Little Victorian units was 839 a square foot.
The longest tenancy remaining ends on July 1, 1983. The
applicant is committed to honoring all the leases, though
the lease provides for its termination with the issuance
of a 30 day notice should the unit sell. All of the
units have been offered to the current tenants and they
have all refused purchase. However the units will have
to comply with the provision that allows the present
tenant a 90 day first right of refusal should a
bonnified offer be made on the unit.
Colette recommends approval of the subdivision exception
with the following conditions:
1. The improvement is necessary to the building prior to the
sale of a unit, in accordance with recommendations made by
the Building Dept. in an electrical and structural inspection.
2. The attorney's office has requested that compliance
with the inspection results be changed to read "compliance
with section 22a and 22b". This covers both 6 month
minimum leases with no more than two shorter tenancies per year.
It also covers the 180 day period in which current tenants
will have the opportunity to buy the unit.
3. A statement of exception from the the full subdivision
process for the purpose of condominiumization be executed
on forms approved by the City Attorney.
Roger Hunt asked if the low to moderate/middle income
guidelines should be revised. Colette said that considering
the size of the units being discussed the rents have been
outside the guidelines and fairly expensive. Roger asked
if the rent included utilities. The rent is determined
on a square foot basis,but it does include utilities.
Roger suggested that the commission look at the guidelines
again considering how applicable they areuwhen the utilities
are excluded from the rent. Gary Esary, Assistant City
Attorney pointed out that the 20/22 analysis only has to
prove that rent is not in the low or moderate ranges. Colette
is showing that even with the utilities included the rent
is above the moderate income guidelines. Gary Esary also
explained that guidelines permit utilities charged in common
to be included in the guideline price. Roger stated that
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Little
Victorians
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V. Mark
Rezoning
Reconsideration
of Golf course
Preliminary
Plat
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the utilities involved in this application were not
necessarily utilities in common. If the units are
condominiumized the utilities would probably be
seperated as much as possible. The inclusion of
utilities in the rent may have skewed the rent out of
the range that the Planning Commission should consider.
Lee Pardee thought that the fairest thing to do would be
to study the cost of utilities for the past year and
divide it out on a square foot basis and than determine
if it fell into any of the income ranges.
Colette reiterated that 20/22 only addresses low and
moderate ranges and that the middle range has been
included by inference. These utilities are above
the middle range. The utilities would have to be
expensive to bring the cost of rent down.
Mr. Horn, applicant, informed the commission that the
building in question has a commercial utility rate and
the utilities are extremely low.
Alan Blomquist thought that the application was incomplete
and asked if a motion to table would be in order. The
applicant stressed that time was of the essence.
Lee Pardee suggested approving the application contingent
upon an analysis done by the planning office, which would
calculate the rent on a square foot basis, taking into
account the effect of utilities. The analysis would
determine whether or not a low and moderate income level
could be considered.
Lee asked what the moderate income guidelines were. Colette
said they were approximately 759 a square foot.
Lee Pardee moved to recommend approval of the subdivision
exception for the purpose of condominiumization of the
Little Victorian Apartments, 634 W. Main, with the
following conditions: One, improvements necessary to
the building from the results of the Building Dept.
inspections must be made prior to the sale of any unit
as outlined in the memo dated October 19, 1982 from
Stan Stevens and Jim Wilson. Two, the units must comply
with the conditions set forth in 20/22 A & B of the
Aspen City Code. Three, the statement of exceptions
in the book of major process for the purpose of
condominiumization and the declaration of restricted
covenants be executed under forms approved by the
City Attorney. Four, this approval is conditional upon
the units not qualifying for low or moderate income levels
of rent after deducting the utility cost on a pro-rata
basis per apartment or condominium and should any ~ fall
therein they should be deed restricted to the level
recommended by the Housing Authority. Jasmine Tygre
seconded the motion. All in favor, motion carried.
Roger Hunt moved to continue the public hearing and
table the action on the V. Mark rezoning until the
next regular meeting on November 2, 1982. Lee Pardee
seconded the motion. All in favor,motion carried.
Welton Anderson stated that the Commission had tried
once before to get the kind of legislation through
the first time this proposal was being considered
in order to prevent a mistake. The Commissioners felt
that something had happened that the commissioners would
not have approved and that was against ~ their
recommendations. Roger Hunt noted that there was a~
Planning Office recommendation to approve the Golf Course
application with no conditions. Welton agreed that
the Commission did not have to accept the Planning Office's
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Aspen Planning and Zoning Commission
October 19, 1982
Golf Course
Preliminary
Plat (cont.)
recommendation and that the Commission could take action
to keep a building such as the ~mo Shop from being built
again without any P&Z approval.
Alan Richman, planning office, told the commission that
this applciation was being reconsidered because there
was a mistake made within the City when a plat, given
preliminary plat approval by the p&Z and final plat
approval by the Council, was not recorded. Thus, the
application is being presented to the Commission again
in order to obtain approval for the resubdivision of
the Golf Course Subdivision. There are no changes
of substence to the plat. The Engineering Dept. has
added one easement to the plat. Alan informed the
Commission that the memo dated October 8, 1982 is
intended to clearly state the facts so that there was
no question about the action the Planning and Zoning
Commission took which was, at the conceptual level, to
provide a mechanism for review of any development that
would occur at the golf course, including the Pro Shop.
The P&Z's recommendation was brought to Council and the
Council did remove that recommendation from the Golf Course
Support Overlay as it was finally approved. Alan said
that he was not sure whether the Planning Office had
informed the Commission that the Golf Course Support
Overlay had been ammended after the P&Z'S recommendation.
However, when the Commission did see the Preliminary
Plat there was nothing specifically on it regarding
the Golf Course Pro Shop, so no approval was given by the
P&Z.
Since subdivision itself is not a matter of any controversy,
the Plannning Office is recommending that the Commission
place a PUD on that piece of property as part of the
subdivision to give the golf course,~the area thats zoned
Golf Cour~Support (GCS) a PUD. Therefore if anyone
proposes to do anything there in the future there is a
review mechanism.
Roger Hunt said that the Council members he had contacted
expressed suprise at reviewing the Golf Course Pro Shop so
he rejected Wayne Chapman's letter on the subject. Roger
agrees with implementing a PUD, but does not agree with
passing the application unless a PUD is implemented. Roger
recommends that if the P& Z passes the application it
should be a motion to deny unless PUD is included. If PUD
is not included, the Commission would have denied it and
the application would be returned to the Commission.
Alan thought that this would entail a motion to initiate
a zoning action on the Golf Course Subdivision in order to
move the PUD ahead and to withold action on the preliminary
Plat.
Welton Anderson opened the Public Hearing. Peter Guy,
chairman of the County Planning and Zoning Commission,
read the following statement on the County P&Z's position:
"The Pitkin County Planning and Zoning Commission by the
unanimous action of 9 regular and alternate members attending
its meeting on October 19, 1982, wishes to go on record
with the following statement regarding the Pro Shop at
the Golf Course:
1. The commission w~es to express its concern and
disappointment at the violation of the pitkin County
policy that all buildings be set back 200 feet from
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Golf Course
Preliminary
Plat (cont.)
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from Highway 82.
2. The Commission feels that of all the areas where
there might be possible conflicting objectives between
the City and the County that there should never be
inconsistancy regarding the highway set back.
3. The Commission recognizes the original efforts made
by the Aspen City P&Z and the Planning Office to have
review power over the location of the Pro Shop and
agrees with that approach as proper.
4. The Commission has established a historic precedent
of consistency in its actions in the corridor and has
never waived the application of a set back, regardless
of the community objective and its conflicts with this
policy.
5. The Commission advocates taking whatever steps
necessary to relieve the current situation. Specifically
to include the removal of the building, even at this
late date. Such actions have been taken by the City
in the face of past violations of city poliCl by
private interests and appear to be justified.
Bill Dunaway, Aspen Times, said that he realized the
City and the leasee have spent a lot of money, but
it would not cost much to move the building. Bill
did not agree with the City Manager, and felt that
being able to see both tees did not justify putting
the building in the set-back.
Michael Gessner, County P&Z, felt that there was an
opportunity to correct a mistake by moving the building.
The higway set back is one of the most important and
consistent community goals in existence said Mr. Gessner.
The highway set back is vital to Aspen and the entrance
to Aspen. It is vital to keep the entrance to town
uncluttered and Utleveloped.
Joy Caudell reiterated Bill Dunaway and Michael Gessner.
Welton closed the Public Hearing.
Roger suggested coming up with a resolution concerning
the reconsideration of the Golf Course Preliminary Plat.
A top priority would be to place a P.U.D. on the
property. Roger also concurred with moving the building.
Lee thought the first step was the zoning action, followed
by a review of the preliminary plat in conjunction with
drafting a resolution stating that the building should
be moved.
Al Blomquist felt that the problem was in the number
of different zones that applied to public land. He
thought that if there was one public zone a mandatory
review of this land would be easier. Al agreed that
the building should be moved.
Jasmine thought it essential to include within the
resolution the idea of exploring all possibilities
to have the building moved.
Al Blomquist reiterated that the parcel in question
needed to be placed under, P.U.D. level planning.
Welton Anderson pointed out that it was time for the
City to play by the same rules that it sets up for
everybody else. Al Blomquist said that the City has
predetermined the Main St. extension without a master
plan for the Thomas property. There should be a P.U.D
on every piece of public property.
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Octoeer~19,1982
Aspen Planninq and Zoninq Commission
Golf Course
Preliminary
Plat (cont.)
Upper Elemenary
School
Conditional
Use
Roger Hunt moved to table the action on the reconsideration
of the Golf Course Preliminary Plat until such time
that the property can be considered for zoning, including
P.U.D. Included in this motion is a request to the
Planning office to provide a resolution along the
lines stressed at this meeting.
Al Blomquist stated that in addition to the resolution
the Planning office should be instructed to come up
with a change in the zoning map and ordinance to create
one public zone with a mandatory P.U.D. A public
zone would include all lands and properties within the
city limits owned by any public entity.
It was suggested that AI's request be included in a
second motion.
Lee,Wardee seconded the motion. All in favor, motion
carried.
A~an Richman informed the Commission that the resolution
addresses the issue of establishing a set back of
200 feet along Highway 82.
Welton said that the Commission should establish as a
precedent an administrative rule that any land in the
County with a 200 foot set back will be annexed in the
City with that same 200 foot set back. Alan said
he would write this up as something the Commission
needed to look into.
Colette Penne reminded the Commission that the Building
Dept. had come in earlier asking for a Conditional Use
to locate in the Upper Elementary School. At the
time the Commission talked about the the other uses
that were in the school/but had not gone through a
similar process. The Commission requested that
these other uses apply to the P&Z for a conditional use.
The Upper Elementary school~ located on Hallam and
Garm~h in the R-6 zone. All of the applicants on
the summary sheet are requesting conditional use approval
to be located in the Upper Elementary School. All of
the applicants are present tenants except for the
New Creation Christian Center. Colette informed the
Commission that the inclusions of Conditional Uses
in the R-6 zone are open use recreation sites, public
schools, churches, hospitals, public administration
buildings, day care centers and museums. The applicants
all fit into the conditional use catagories. The applicant
is considered to be public administration if they
are recieving City or County funding, or State or
Federal funding and they are often a use that would
have to otherwise be handled by government. Colette
demonstrated to the Commission that there is adequate
parking for all of the appicants without the removal
of the playground equipment and off street parking.
In terms of compliance with the zoning code and consistency
with the zoning district,the conditional uses do cover
all of the uses applied for. The criteria of land use
compatabli1ity is that the proposal doesn't propose
any further development of the site. It is an interem
solution for the use of the school building. Colette
felt that all of the applicants fit the definition
recommended by the Planning office for a conditional
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Upper
Elementary
School (cont.)
Aspen
Downtown
Storage
Lodge GMP
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use. The Planning Office recommends that the Commission,
as was the case with the Building Dept, give the
applicants a one year conditional use permit. It
is also recommendeS that a master plan for the long term
use fo the building be provided before August 31,1983
at which time the leases expire.
Ron Molford requested a mailing of agendas and summaries.
Lee Pardee moved to grant conditional approval to the
applicants outlined in the Planning Office memorandum
dated October 19, 1982 for the period extending from the
present to August 31, 1983. This conditional use is
conditioned upon the submission of a plan for the total
use of the property on a.long term basis. Included
in this motion in the grant of a Conditional Use Permit.
Jasmine Tygre seconded the motion. All in favor, motion
carried.
Welton Anderson stepped down as he was the associate
architect on the storage warehouse. Roger Hunt nominated
Lee Pardee to act as temporary chairman. Jasmine seconded
the nomination. All in favor, motion carried.
Roger Hunt mentioned that the P&Z's action on the
original Trueman plan pointed out that this piece
of property should be designated as not having any major
capital improvements on it. It has been identified
as property that should not be significantly built on.
The Commission asked Colette to check on and verify
the recommendation that this parcel(Trueman) should not be
developed to any significant degree.
Roger moved to approve the resolution concerning Lot 3
of the Trueman property and to ~uthorize the acting
chairman, Lee Pardee, to sign it upon the inclusion of
the additional "whereas". Jasmine seconded the motion.
All in favor, motion carried.
Welton asked to make public his familiarity with the
Carriage House property. Lee Pardee moved to have
Welton Anderson step down. Jasmine Tygre seconded
the motion. Lee Pardee and Jasmine Tygre in favor,
Al Blomquist and Roger Hunt opposed, motion fails.
Welton chose to stay on the Commission during the
discussion of the Lodge GMP.
Alice Davis, Planning Office, informed the Commission that
this years quota is 76 units and is derived from all
of the units that have not been used in the past and
from the present years quota of 35. The applicant
is requesting 26 free market lodge units and five (5)
employee units for a total of 31 units. The lodge
facility will be located at the corner of Aspen and
Durant Streets. There are currently 6 multi-family
units there. The lodge would include a lobby conference
area, bar, health club, dining area, swimming pool, and
31 parking spaces, 22 of which are underground. Should
the applicant recieve a GMP allocation a GMP exemption
from 5 employee units would not be necessary nor would
he have to go through the new GMP exemption for demolition/
reconstruction. The six multi-family units currently
located on the parcel will give the applicant credit for
six units should they be demolished. The six unit credit
is not included in the 26 unit request and there has
been interest on the applicants part in moving these
units to another location should someone "draw the line".
Public Facilities and Services:
Water: There are two existing lines that can service the
project. The applicant will remove these two and replace
it with a third. The Engineering Dept. states that this
does not warrant a two and would not improve the quality
of the service in the area because it is a service line
which is not a City responsibility.
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Aspen Planning and Zoning
October 19, 1982,
Lodge GMP
Sewer: Existing lines can handle the project. Engineering
again feels that a 2 is not warranted as there is
nothing out of the ordinary and responsibility falls
with the owner.
Storm Drainage: A series of dry wells have been proposed
which are sufficient for drainage on site. The
applicant has suggested that he put 2 new catct basins
in. The Englneering Dept. thinks this is a good idea.
Howevp.r, where the applicant wants to put these is not
where the Engineering Dept. feels they would be the
most effective. If the applicant agrees to comply with
the Engineering Dept.'s suggestion the planning office
would recommend a GMP scoring of 2, but as it stands
on the application the planning office recommends a 1
because it is not an effective way of improving the
service in the area.
Fire Protection: Existing facilities provide excellent
fire protection and there is nothing that warrants
giving it a 2.
Roads: The applicant has agreed to install 2 street lights
to improve safety in the area and to pave the alley which
would improve access to the 3 other lodges that access off
the alley. The increased traffic volume would not
present any significant impacts.
Quality of Design:
Architectural Design: The applicant has submitted a
standard acceptable design. It includes rock, wood
glass, materials typical of neighborhood. The structure
is three stories high and is surrounded by 3 and 4
story structures. The planning office recommends a
score of 2.
Site Design: Open space proposed is 29%, 4% above the
required 25% open space. Landscaping is proposed to
screen the parking. The applicant proposes a small
town lodge atomosphere. Benches will be provided
ln the tree area along the road. The utilities will
be underground and there will be an underground parking
garage. Overall the proposed site design is acceptable
and is nothing exceptlonal. Planning office gave it
a 2.
Energy Conservation:
The project includes thermal insulation which exceeds the
standards by 10%, energy efficient fireplaces, and
other energy efficient devices. This is fairly standard.
Parking and Circulation:
The application recieved a rating of three as the application
includes an underground garage, a landscaped screen of
surface parking, and parking is provided for the 5
employ~e unlts as well as for the free market units.
Ther~lso acceptable trash facilities.
Visual Impact: This recieved a score of 1. The major
problem wlth the design project is visual impact. The
view from other lodges is completely blocked by a
3 story structure though it lS wlthin the height limitations.
Amenities Provided for Guests:
Meeting Areas: The project proposes that almost 8% of
the total rental area will be in the lobby. The meeting
rooms constitute 18% of the the total rental space.
The combined total of 26% is felt to be a high percentage
for a project of 26 units. A score of 3 is recommended.
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Lodge GMP
(cont. )
Dining Facilities: The project includes a small
indoor/outdoor dining area, a bar, and the posslbi1ity
of using the meetlng area for banquet facilities. If
the banquet facilities are included, 24% of the rental
space in going to be used in dining area. This is
adequate dlning space worthy of a score of 2.
Recreational Facilities: The applicant has promised
to put in a pool and a health club totalling 19% of
the total lodge area. This is adequate but not exceptional.
provision of Employee Housing:
The appllcant intends to house ten people in five units.
They estimate that they will only generate ten employees.
Planning office feels that ten employees will not be
enough. The plannlng office increased the number of
employees from ten to nlneteen. With nineteen employees
and houslng for ten, only 50% of the employees are
being housed. This works out to be a score of 5 points.
Alice informed the commission that there should be
a total of 54 pOlnts.
Mark Danielson, representing the applicant, told the
commiSSlon that the Carriage House is a small lodge
development proposal located on 15,000 sqare feet,
Lots K,L,M,N,O, Block 77. Mark felt that the Carriage
House provides a total compliment of guest facilities
and amenities on a small lodge scale. Mark felt
that the application deserved 2 points for water
rather than the one given it by the planning office.
After talking with Jim Markalunas, head of the Water
Dept., it was felt that a service would be provided
by decreasing the maintenance of 2 water 11nes by
replacing them with one new line. Mark told the
Commlssion that Aspen Metro Sanitation was responsible
for the sewer lines and if the applicant committed
to financing periodical maintenance it would help
',:--,' all the users on the sewer line, thus improving
service to the area. Mark said that the applicant
would provide 2 new catch basins on a location
determined by the City Englneering Dept. Mark
thought that the scoring handicapped projects already
ln an excellent location with regard to fire protection.
There is already excellent fire protection ln the
area of the Carriage House. Considering the
quality of design, Mr. Danielson stated that the lOdge
was small in comparlson with surrounding developments.
In terms of height, the lodge was an intermediate
step in the neigborhood being three stories hlgh.
There is also a compatability of building materials
with the surrounding area. The applicant feels that
the design maximizes the materials and is most
compatable with the height and size of the neighborhood
while also maximizing the amenities and services for
the guests.
The applicant disagreed with the visual impact score
because of the compatability of height with
the neighborhood. The applicant also mentioned
that there would not be a full time employee for
each jOb. Rather, the employees would be doubling
as everything from restaurant to maid and desk clerk
to maintenance person. Ten employees would be used
only when the lodge is full. Mark felt that
ten employees would be adequate to fulfill all of the
needs of the lodge.
Alice Davis responded to the comments made by Mark
Danielson by saying that she had also talked with
Jim Marka1unas who said that replacement of the
the water lines would improve service but that
was the water department's responsibillty anyway.
There is nothing out of the ordinary being provided.
This is also true wlth the sewer lines. Fire protection
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Aspen Planning and Zoning CommlSSlon
October 19, 1982
Lodge GMP
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can be improved in the general area, if not on the
speciflc lodge site, Alice said. The scoring system
is designed so that if its difficult for an applicant
to score in one area, such as fire protection, they
can score better in another area, such as employee
houslng, increasing the score. Alice said that
the applicant did provide a lot of energy conservation
devices but a score of 3 lS usually reserved for those
applicants who use active solar devices and is more
into solar orientation. Miss Davis reiterated that
the visual impact of the project was seen as a major
design flaw because of the impact on surrounding
structures.
Gary Esary, City Attorney, disputed a conclusion that
the applicant made concerning the consideration of
height. The applicant said that consideration of
height in GMP scoring would be spot zoning and
therefore il1eagal because maximum height was already
logged by the zone. This is not correct. Zoning and
GMP applications are two seperate issues.
Alice asked the applicant to clarify how commltted they
were to the proposal. The ~pplication proposes thlngs
that could be done but does not definitly commit the
applicant. Mark confirmed that the applicant was
committing to everything in the appllcation and in
the presentatlon.
Lee Pardee moved to make a GMP allocation to the Carriage
House should the numbers/score meet the minimum requirements.
Alan Blomquist seconded the motion. All in favor,
motion carrled.
Lee Pardee moved to adjourn the meeting. Alan
Blomquist seconded the motion. All in favor, motion
carried.
ie Markalunas
ty Clerk's Office
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