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RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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Regular Meeting
Planning and Zoning Commission
March 8, 1983
Perry Harvey called the meeting to order at 5:10 p.m. with members Pat Fallin,
Welton Anderson, David White, Roger Hunt, and Al Blomquist present Also pt'f..Si-f'll
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Commissioners Blomquist said the lots west of the Wheeler Opera House were
Comments bought with open space funds. Perhaps these should be zoned
for park use.
White asked about the smuggler area plans, what the P & Z will
see. Richman said the county engineer has the plans and
Richman will get them to P & Z.
Harvey asked
Richman said
the P & Z on
about the status
there is an SPA
April 5th.
on the self storage project.
plan, which will appear before
Alan Richman said the county extension office will be talking
to the county Commissioners next Tuesday about a possible code
amendment to address contamination in the soils. The P & Zs
are both invited.
Richman said the P & Z can have a work session with the city's
water engineers in preparation for the Castle Creek water plant
expansion. Richman said he will get P & Z members copies of
the water management plan. P & Z scheduled the work session
for March 15th.
Durant Mall
Plat Amendment
Alice Davis, planning office, told the Board this is a request
to amend a condominium plat. The Code allows an amendment like
this if there is an engineering or survey error. The plat
shows three offices and there are only two. The applicant
wants to amend the plat to show two offices. The engineering
department has requested some minor technical changes.
Hunt moved to approve the corrections to the Durant Mall condo-
minium plat subject to items 1 through 8 in the planning office
memorandum of March 8, 1983; seconded by Ms. Tygre. All in
favor, motion carried.
Kessler
Subdivision
Exception
Colette Penne, planning office, told Council this is located on
950-960 East Durant. Ms. Penne said unit *3 rents at $.68
per square foot, which puts it in the moderate category. Units
1 and 4 are also moderate; unit 8 at $.51 per square foot is
in the low category. Ms. Penne entered into the record the
planning office memorandum of March 8, 1983, as well as the
affidavit of the Kesslers and letter from Oates, Hughes and
Knezevich.
The is a condominiumization of two buildings, consisting of 8
units. This is for estate planning purposes. There are four
units which fall within the housing price guidelines and the
applicant is willing to deed restrict these to a five year
deed restriction. The planning office recommends approval of
the subdivision exception with the conditions listed.
Hunt asked if there was a time limit on correcting the life,
health and safety things for the building department. Harvey
asked when the deed restrictions on the units begins. Ms.
Penne said it follows Council's approval. Esary said the
final subdivision plat has to be filed within 90 days. Esary
suggested adding to the conditions that the plat has to be
filed within 90 days of approval.
Regular Meeting
Planning and Zoning Commission
March 8, 1983
Hunt moved to recommend approval of subdivision exception for
the purpose of condominiumization of the C.i3M '.lnits at 950-960
East Durant with the following conditions as listed in the
planning office memorandum of March 8, 1983, with the addition
to *1 "said plat to be filed within 90 days of Council action;
and condition *5 units 1 and 3 are identified as moderate
income housing; units 4 and 8 are identified as low income
housing; seconded by Anderson. All in favor, motion carried.
Endeavor Lodge
Expansion
Anderson steps down from the Board. Colette Penne, planning
office presented maps and plans of this lodge. This is an
application under the L-3 provisions, requesting review of
expansion of the floor area of the Endeavor lodge to a 1:1
floor area, GMP exemption for the three new employee units,
which will be deed restricted to the low income catetory, and
exemption from parking spaces for the employee units. Ms. Penne
said there will be no addition of lodge rooms; there are 11
lodge rooms. There will be three employee rooms created. The
employee rooms are small; they do not have kitchen and bath
associated with them but are elsewhere in the lodge. These
rooms are below the requirement for studio units; however, they
are not studio units, they are sleeping rooms.
Ms. Penne said this lodge provides low income lodging facilities
as well as for employees. They are requesting that 927 square
feet be added. The ratio of rental space, nonrental space and
employee space are within the guidelines for a total of 4500
square feet and an FAR of 1:1. The parking spaces are in the
Hopkins street right of way; the Endeavor does provide a van
for transportation. Ms. Penne said the only way to add parking
would be off the alley and would take away the only green
space.
Ms. Penne said the Endeavor lodge is very compatible with the
surrounding land uses. The lodge is conforming in terms of the
setbacks. Ms. Penne recommended the Board approve demolition
and reconstruction for three employee rooms, to exempt the
employee housing from the GMP, and to exempt the parking for the
employee rooms. Ms. Tygre said these rooms are just sleeping
rooms, and are there any bathrooms or kitchens. John Werning,
applicant, pointed out on the map where the general kitchen
and bath facilities are.
Werning said these rooms are for year round employees and he
does not charge rent. White said he likes the little lodge and
the provided rooms for the employees. Ms. Penne said these
units have to be deed restricted to be exempt from the GMP.
Harvey said some lodges close in the off season, and it is
important that this employee housing be available year round.
Werning said his intent is to stay open year round and have the
housing available year round.
Blomquist said he did not feel the method of operation should
be restricted. Blomquist said in small lodges, these type of
units are used to have some one at the lodge all day and also
as portion of payment for the employees. Many employees in
small lodges have other jobs, too. Harvey said he just wanted
the issue clarified that the applicant cannot charge high rents
in winter, no rents in off season and rents to balance to the
guidelines in the summer. Ms. Tygre agreed there should not
be the capability to charge more in the winter. Harvey said
these units should be on a monthly basis, not annualized.
White said he would not like to hamper a small business, like
this.
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Regular Meeting
Golf Course
Conceptual PUD
Planning and Zoning Commission
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March 8, 1983
Harvey said he is concerned this is going from 11 rooms to
14 rooms. Werning said there will still only be 11 rentable
rooms. Harvey said there is no parking provided for this.
Ms. Penne said the parking could be accommodated in the back
yard. Werning said generally his employees do not have cars.
The back yard is used year round as an amenity. Ms. Penne
said she has done a site visit and feels the back yard is
a valuable amenity. Harvey suggested a condition be added
that the applicant make parking available in the rear of the
project if those in front are lost.
Hunt moved to grant approval of the special review request for
the Endeavor lodge to d~olish and reconstruct a portion of
the existing lodge and deed restrict three existing rooms as
employee housing; to recommend that the employee housing rooms
be exempted from growth management competition and that the
parking for those rooms be exempted, and that the FAR will
remain at 1:1 with no increase in the number of lodge
bedrooms, conditioned up condition *1, in the planning office
memorandum of March 8, 1983; (2) the applicant be required to
join any area improvement distirct in the event one is formed
and make available parking space in the rear if any are lost
on the street side; and conditions 3 and 4 in the planning
office memorandum; seconded by Ms. Tygre. All in favor,
motion carried.
Alan Richman, planning office, told P & Z this represents
what P & Z asked for in 1982 when P & Z reconsidered the golf
course final plat. The plans presented show existing
improvements on the golf course to put these on the record.
Richman said the P & Z would be authorizing the development
for what is there now and the Red~ Roof Inns entrance.
Harvey asked what the tal ley of before and after parking
spaces was. Holland said they will lose some spaces because
of changing the road and landscaping.
Hunt said the bike path at the intersections with the entrance
seems to be too screened, that it might be dangerous.
Holland said he would personally be spotting the trees and
is aware of this. Blomquist said he would prefer to see
the bike lane west of the entrance up to the highway grade,
without a valley, and with a berm. Holland said they intend
to raise the grade of the bike path west of the driveway.
Richman said the P & Z had indicated they wanted to be kept
in touch with the plans for the golf course, and to put them
on record so there could be an enforcement mechanism.
Richman said any changes to this plan would have to come
through P & Z. This plan gives P & Z control, and the P & Z
can give an exemption to the mandatory PUD process.
Blomquist said he would like to see cross sections on the
berms, elevations. Blomquist said he would like to see this
tabled until those drawings are available. Blomquist said
he would like to see the bike path in the valley be raised.
Ms. Tygre moved to table this to the next regular meeting;
seconded by Hunt. All in favor, motion carried.
Regular Meeting
Code Amendment
Regulatory
Reduction
Planning and Zoning Commission
March 8, 1983
Hunt noted the resolution indicates that the P & Z is
supposed to grant something at the sole discretion of the
director of planning. Richman explained it is the discretion
of the planning office to enter an applicant into a one-step
process to P & Z, rather than a two-step process to P & Z
and Council. Richman said wording was added to set up
criteria when a subsequent review would not be necessary.
Harvey said the Commission agrees with the intent of this
section, but the wording should be worked on.
Richman pointed out the next section defines what major
alteration to a plat would be that would require additional
review.
Richman said the last change is special review of parking.
Richman said there have been no criteria for this special
review, and the criteria suggested comes from the experience
of the planning office. Harvey said the need for parking
in a neighborhood is important, and what is the mechanism
for presenting the need for parking in a neighborhood.
Richman suggested site visits might be one mechanism, the
P & Z and neighborhoods know where the problems are.
Blomquist said he would like some specific mandated standards
for parking. Blomquist said he would like to eliminate some
of the parking variances. Harvey said the criteria are
ambiguous as to what side of the ledger they fall on. Harvey
objected to "practical difficulties of the site design which
may render the provision of on-site parking spaces less
desirable" perhaps should say "impossible" or "difficult"
instead of "less desirable".
Assistant City Attorney Gary Esary suggested balancing the
site design with the policy of off street parking. The P & Z
can make an applicant put parking on the site, or leave some
amenity or green space. Richman said he would work on this
language with Esary for the ordinance for Council.
Hunt moved to adopt Resolution 83-1, as amended, allowing the
Chairman to review final copy and sign; seconded by Ms.
Tygre. All in favor, motion carried.
Ms. Tygre moved to adjourn at 7:15; seconded by Hunt. All
in favor, motion carried.
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RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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FORM" C.F.HOtCKELB.B.Iil.CO.
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
FEBRUARY 22, 1983
REGULAR MEETING
Chairman Perry Harvey called the meeting to order at 5:10 with members Tygre,
Anderson, Pardee, Hunt, Blomquist, Fallin and White.
COMMISSIONERS'
COMMENTS
MINUTES
PUBLIC HEARING
CODE AMENDMENT:
REGULATORY RED-
UCTION
White commented on the transportation at the presentation.
was totally inadequate as far as the public was concerned.
it is City and County it gets pushed off. The planning is
inadequate and the people are very angry.
It
Since
also
Alan Richman of the Planning Office stated that there is a
program that is a City/County joint program. The funds are
also City/County monies together.
Hunt said that any Smuggler plan that he has ever seen seems
to be fully inadequate as far an transportation planning,
because everybody's head is stuffed in a pneumatic tube
and started rolling around a rubber wheel. That was the whole
transportation planning that has been done.
Harvey answered Welton's question in reference to the City
Council's meeting. Harvey said that it was tabled pending
Paul Taddune, City Attorney, input from seminars, meetings,
new legislation etc. on it. Harvey also stated that Herman
Edel, Mayor made the comment the reason the conflict was in
there, was that we had this problem of people made present-
ations before their own boards. It created a certain sent-
iment. It creates a friendlier attitude than most others.
Harvey said that he had a copy of the memo that pertained
to the "Conflict of Interest" that the City Attorney's office
was concerned with. Harvey said that they want to defined
the "Ex-Parte" better for the benifit of the new board members,
on all of the City Boards. The real issue that was involved
with was the proceedure, when a conflict existed. The members
of the P&Z have been acting under the By-Laws, copies have
been issued to the members and have been read in reference
to the By-Laws. Harvey said that they have been read, and
then find out that the P & Z is not legal. . Harvey said that
he told the City Attorney's office that because Aspen is a
small town, that the P & Z must operate differently than
you should under the law. Harvey also added that they have
been operating under the wrong set of rules. If Council de-
termines that such as that ordinance should prevail, then
the members that are affected have to act accordingly.
Hunt moved to approve the minutes of February 8, 1983.
Pardee seconded. All in favor, motion carried.
Alan Richman from the Planning Office presented the Reduction
of Regulatory Requirements to the P & Z Board. Richman said
this is something to appease Council, to show a commitment
towards reducing a requlatory requirements without taking away
anything substantial in policy form from code. Richman
asked the P&Z Board if they had any ideas on how to improve
or other areas that the P & Z might reduce or change the
language because it may not be the best language. Harvey
commented on the abstract in the presented language.
The Planning and zoning Commission discussed the submission
of plats and who should sign off of them. Questions as to
who should sign off consisted of Herman Edel, Mayor, Engin-
eering, Planning Director, City Clerks Office, since the
City Clerk's Office keeps records of the minutes.
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By the persons signing off, the sign-off is symbolic since
it should mean that it has been reviewed. The major issue is
that whoever has reviewed the plats, signed-off on the plats
has reviewed them. Therefore, it authorizes you to put your
signature on the plat.
Blomquist said that if the P & Z Commission had terminal
authority on some of the issues, they might process faster.
If most people knew that this was the end of the line, then
items would process faster, the p&Z might be more efficient
in their actions. Richman added that applications might be
more complete. Applications would know what they want and
state what they are doing, in which would save time and mis-
takes. Blomquist added that he hoped for more terminal author-
itity for the p&Z Commission, so that Council would have more
time for their own work. In then, the P&Z would know more
clearly what their responsibilities were.
Hunt added that the purpose of the GMP was to come up with
some sort of quick mechanism. So that a person could come
in with a basically short concept.
Paul Taddune of the City Attorney's Office added that in terms
of complex projects, SPA's PUD's, complex subdivisions it makes
sense to go through conceptual or preliminary. Pardee said
that as the comprehensive land use code is being designed, there
is know reason for the applicant that has made it through the
GMP to go throug conceptual. The applicant has an idea
(conceptually) of what they would like to do, they have competed
for it. The next step would be preliminary. Pardee added that
there was no reason to go through the disjointed process and
this is the concept that the Board is now working on. Hunt
said if the GMP process subsitutes for the conceptual, that
would be fine. Discussion among the p&Z members agreed that
preliminary is what really matters. It was stated among the
members also that there is no need to go to final. City Council
is saying, yes you have technically to comply with preliminary.
Final will be technical review.
Alan Richman from the Planning Office presented a memorandum
before the P&Z Commissioners in reference to the "Reduction
of Requlatory Requirements", amendment to section 20-19 of
the Municipal Code (new language). Harvey suggusted that the
memo be reworked from the stand point of writing it for the
Planner Director in the future. So it is clearer to him, as
far as boundries are concerned. Richman said that he thought
the idea was reasonable. Richman asked the P&Z members if they
had any desire to look at the memo again or if the Board would
like to direct the Planning Office in rewriting the memo in
the way the Board expressed their feelings toward the memo.
Pardee said he would like to see more on the final paragraph.
Pardee also added that he thought that it would be a much better
package to send Council with the P & Z recommendation.
Harvey closed the public hearing in reference to the "Reduction
of the Requirements"
Hunt moved to ajourn at 5:55; seconded by Welton. All in favor,
motion carried.
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Joy A. Brooks
Deputy City Clerk
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