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September 6, 1983
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Chairman Perry Harvey called the meeting to order at 5:00 p.m. with members
Pat Fallin, David White, Roger Hunt, Welton Anderson and Lee Pardee present.
commissioner
Comment
Conditional
Use Expansion/
pyramid &
Use
Determination
Emporium
Hunt asked when the county would be opening up Spring street
again. Alan Richman said the jail should be opening next month
so the street should be too.
Richard Grice, planning office, told P & Z the Emporium wants
to expand its business into drapery, curtain and upholstery
fabrics. Drapery shop is a listed conditional use in the zone
district. The proposal is to divide the space formerly occupied
by the Michael Scott business just west of Clark's market.
P & z is considering the use of 1700 square feet; one is
expansion of an existing conditional use, pyramid Travel; and
a use determination.
Grice told P & Z Pyramid Travel received a conditional use from
P & Z last year. P & Z found Pyramid to be consistent with the
criteria for conditional uses. Grice does not feel this
increase has any impact on compliance with the criteria and has
no problem with the expansion.
Grice said Emporium Fabrics is a C-l use, not primarily oriented
toward serving the tourist population. Emporium is presently
located in the Concept 600 building. Grice said the question is
whether this use to serve the daily trade or service needs of
the neighborhood. Grice told P & Z the owners of the Emporium
got a petition with over 100 signatures in support of this;
also Grice received 6 letters signed by owners of business in
the Trueman Center in support of this.
Grice said is has been difficult to distinguish between the two
types of uses in the NC and C-l district. Grice said he feels
the Emporium is a C-l use; however, there is a history of
inconsistent administratice of the conditional use criteria for
the NC zone. Grice said the P & Z can either deny the request,
or allow it in the NC zone and recognize that NC and C-l zones
are highly intermingled.
Hunt said P & Z considered that thought and did not want to
combine NC and C-l zones. Harvey said it appears the planning
office is recommending combining the two zones, and denying
the conditional use. Harvey said this seems to be more philo-
sophical than practical. Grice said the planning office would
prefer the P & Z to combine the NC and C-l zones. Grice said
the line between the two zones is grey; it is hard to explain
it. The NC zone was created initially because it was believed
there are two neighborhoods in town and the NC zones serves
these two neighborhood. Grice said the planning office feels
this is one community.
Pardee said this application should be treated as others in the
past, not considering combining the zones. The P & Z should
consider the other topic in the future. Anderson said the CC
zone is tourist oriented, and c-l is a buffer between CC and NC.
Anderson said the Emporium is a local business, and he feels
it fits within the intent of the NC zone.
Grice said he feels the NC is limited to something people would
visit when they visit the grocery store, a drug store, liquor
store, daily frequently purchased items. Grice said he feels
a fabric shop is on the line. Harvey pointed out the NC zone
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is daily shopping needs; the C-l zone is not primarily tourist
operations. Grice said the difference is the NC zone is
supposed to be "one stop shopping". Hunt said he has less
problem with a fabric shop than a drapery shop.
Harvey opened the public hearing.
Maureen Rogers, owner of the Emporium, said most of their
customers are locals and usually go to the Emporium in conjunc-
tion with another trip to town. Ms. Rogers said this space
offers good parking. The Emporium cannot go into a building
that is highly tourist oriented; it would kill their local
business. Ms. Rogers said the move is motivated to put the
Emporium into a move convenient location for their customers
and they need more space. Ms. Rogers said for the drapery part,
it is more for customers to buy fabric to make draperies. They
have lots of requests for drapery fabric.
Bianca Hooker, owner of the Emporium, pointed out that stores
in town do not sell needles and thread, and people that might
go to a variety store, go to the Emporium. Ms. Hooker said the
customers of the Emporium are excited about this and feel it
would be much more convenient.
Harvey closed the public hearing. Harvey requested the Board
address Pyramid Travel first.
Pardee moved to grant an expansion of the conditional use permit
for Pyramid Travel; seconded by Anderson. All in favor, motion
carried.
Harvey said he feels the Emporium qualifies as a conditional use.
Hunt said as the owners described their business, it seems
appropriate as an NC use.
Hunt moved to find the Emporium as a drapery and fabric shop to
be a conditional use in the NC zone and granting a conditional
use permit, based on the premise they are primarily local
oriented and fit the philosophy of the NC zone which is to serve
daily and frequent trade or service needs; seconded by Anderson
All in favor, motion carried.
Richard Grice, planning office, said this is a request for a
dwelling unit in the SCI zone and for a change in use review as
an exemption from GMP for the change from SCI use to residential.
Grice said the description of the business is specializing in
equipment rental. Grice suggested a condition of any approval
should limit the business to equipment rental, storage and
repair.
Grice pointed out that future SCI tenants will be subject to
excessive construction expense in order to locate next to a
residential use. The building department noted a dwelling unit
installed in this building would not currently create a problem;
however, the UBC requires three hour walls and future uses would
be limited by this. Grice said the need for this dwelling unit
is not clearly demonstrated. Grice said the applicant states
they need this dwelling unit for the flexibility of being able
to return rented equipment at any hour. Grice said he was not
convinced a rental place needed 24 hour return.
Grice said there is limited SCI space available in the city.
This is limiting an existing building that is available for SCI
uses. Another point is the parking configuration seems con-
strained, and the provision of parking for this use will reduce
parking available for the existing SCI uses. Grice said the
plat indicates 33 parking spaces, the planning office does not
believe there are half that. The Code requires one space per
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bedroom be reserved for the residential unit, futher reducing
parking for the SCI space. Grice said this SCI "neighborhood"
is not particularly suited for residential occupancy. Grice
said the planning office has had a number of enquiries for
residential space in the SCI zone. If this is approved, there
would be further pressure for residential uses in SCI.
Grice recommended the P & Z deny the conditional use request for
a dwelling unit. Grice said the business must be limited to
equipment rental, storage and repair and may not become a prop-
erty management company. Grice said the planning office has
concluded as long as the business is limited to the above, it
is a permitted use.
Harvey said the language in SCI allowing residential use as
accessory seems to address if one is constructing SCI, residen-
tial could be added. The Code does not seem clear on the
conversion of SCI space to residential. Esary agreed the
language is unclear. Esary said the Code does not address the
price guidelines for these units. Since this is an accessory
use for the business, it seems to make sense that an employee
should live in the unit.
Harvey said in the past, the P & Z has requested that the resi-
dential unit be tied in with the office or commercial space.
However, this is already condominiumized. Harvey asked if the
Commission could restrict the unit to bona fide employees.
Esary said the term "accessory" carries the conclusion that an
employee of the business should live there. Hunt said his
problem is restricting usable SCI area by putting a residence
in.
Bob Andrews, the applicant, told P & Z they had agreed with
previous Council and staff to turn the area into green space.
They had an imprint behind the Obermeyer building, hired design
engineers, spent money, had hearings with the city. The
neighbors argued against the building and that was over. Andrews
tried again with the city to relocated, but once again it did
not work out. Andrews told P & Z he and his partner, Clyde
McFarlin, separated their businesses by condominiumizing.
Andrews said he is trying to upgrade the metal building and
put in an equipment rental business, which is permitted. This
will also be the "Rug Doctor" business for cleaning units.
This business will require a lot of hours. Andrews said the
space they are considering converting to residential has been
vacant for a year, although they have advertised this space for
rental.
Hunt asked if it would be possible to require 3 hour walls so
any other space in the building could be an SCI use without the
epxense of putting in the walls. Andrews said they already
have 3 hour separation. Andrews said he will do this around
the residential space.
Harvey said the planning office feels that the need for a dwell-
ing unit adjacent to the business has not been demonstrated.
Andrews said he has spent six years screening commercial tenants,
there is a good group there, and he wants to build a business
that will serve a market, not duplicate one. Andrews said the
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will have to build an equipment inventory, and the money to be
spent on help to stay open the necessary hours, they would rather
run this as a family business. Mrs. Andrews said they would
like to have cribs, strollers, etc. and would need to keep open
late for when people check in and want a crib.
Pardee agreed this may be setting a precedent. Pardee said he
feels residences as accessory use is for new construction, not
designed to take SCI space away. Hunt said he does not have
a problem if these are not to be two separate units, if the
person were sleeping in the business it would be all right.
Harvey opened the public hearing. There were no comments. Harvej
closed the public hearing.
Harvey said there is sympathy with what the applicant is trying
to do, but the P & Z has problem with the precedent. Harvey
said if the Board approves this request, it would make it diffi-
cult to deny other requests unless there is some clear cut
difference. Andrews said they are stuck with SCI uses, they
are trying to stablize the rentors and trying to appeal to a
person who will stay in Aspen and build a business that is needed.
Andrews said out of this situation, they feel they can generate
enough revenue to upgrade the building. Andrews said he has
been cooperating with the city for four years trying to improve
the property.
White said he is against conversion of SCI space for residential
use. Pardee said because the space has been vacant for a year,
this cannot allow this to affect a zoning questions that can
affect every SCI use in town. Andrews said his building is the
only pure service/commercial in town. Hunt said he approach
would be to allow a small amount of space as dwelling unit as
part of the business.
Esary said there is no way to prevent setting a precedent, but
through a resolution he could make it as narrow as possible.
The applicant has made representations about necessary finances
and the peculiar nature of use of this business. Harvey asked
if the conditional use approval could be tied to the existence
of this specific business. Esary said they could. Hunt said
he would go for dwelling activity within the business space.
Harvey said he would like to see site plan and specific designa-
tion where the office, business and residence are going. Harvey
would also like to see an agreement tying the space to the
specific business and tie the conditional use for residence to
that. Pardee said he is not in favor of diminishing SCI for
residential purposes; this circumvents the GMP exemption.
Anderson said he feels this is a minor request. The residence
will be accessory to the business. Anderson said if conditions
could be drafted so this is not an attractive precedence, then
he is in favor. Ms. Fallin said this is setting a precedent.
White agreed with Pardee and Fallin. Hunt said he does not have
a problem with dwelling activity in SCI if it is integral part
of a specific business. Harvey said the straw poll shows a
three to three tie. Harvey suggested tabling this request to
work out the conditions, get site plans, how the spaces relate.
Harvey said if this space has not been used, this is a way that
it can be used for a valid SCI use, he would approve it as long
as that SCI use exists there.
Harvey reopened the public hearing and continued it.
Hunt moved to table action until the next regular meeting at
the request of the applicant to resubmit the application with
further information, and continue the public hearing; seconded
by Anderson. All in favor, motion carried.
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winfield Arms
Condominiumi-
zation
pogliano
Stream
Margin
Review
Resolution
East Hopkins
Timeshare
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Richard Grice, planning office, told P & Z this is an application
for condominiumization of an existing block located on Cooper
between Aspen and Garmisch. Grice said this is appropriate for
exception from subdivision, the impacts already exist and the
change in ownership will not create any more impacts. The
engineering department has noted some minor details for the
plat. Grice said the code require four criteria for this,
notice to tenants; six month minimum leases, demonstration this
will not reduce the supply of low and moderate income housing,
and inspection for life, health and safety.
Grice told the Board the applicant has submitted notice to the
tenants, six month minimum lease. Affidavits are included to
indicate rents in the previous 18 months are above the maximum
income housing guideline. The building department did an
inspection of the building. The planning office is recommending
approval subject to 7 conditions. Harvey said he would like to
see the amount of parking spaces maximized. Andrew Hecht,
representing the applicant, said they would work with the .>
engineering departmen to maximize parking and will not charge
additional for the parking. They will allocate one parking
space per bedroom, if possible.
Hunt moved to recommend subdivision exception to the Winfield
Arms condominiumization subject to conditions 1 through 7 in
the planning office memorandum of September 6, 1983; condition 8
applicant shall draft a parking plan maximizing the available
parking (if to one space per bedroom), if there are less than
one space per bedroom or per unit, they shall be allocated as
equitably as possible; this plan shall be approved by the city
engineering department; condition 9, conditions stated in the
affidavits of 17 June 1983 and 12 August 1983 are conditions of
this approval; seconded by Ms. Fallin. All in favor, with the
exception of White. Motion carried.
Richard Grice, planning office, pointed out this plat does not
indicate the location of the flood plane, does not have engineer-
ing stamp, no evidence the FAR is consistent with the maximum
limit. However, the engineering stamp and floor plain are not
essential. This is an additional to an existing house, the
addition is not on the stream side; it is a 150 square foot
addition. Grice said if this is approved by P & Z, and the
applicant goes to the building department and the addition brings
the house over the FAR, he will not get a building department.
Grice said there is minimal impact from the application, there
will be minimal excavation, will not involve removal of any
vegetation. Esary suggested a condition of approval that the
applicant submit a plat consistent with the Code prior to
issuance of a building permit.
Hunt moved to approve stream margin review for the construction
of a 150 square foot wine cellar on the southwest side of the
residence at 1110 Black Birch drive conditioned that the appli-
cant submit a correct site plan in accordance with Section
24-6.3(b); seconded by Pardee. All in favor, motion carried.
Hunt said this was a request for time sharing for an existing
building as a conditional use in the RHF zone. The P & Z found
problems with the application, one is that it is the wrong
place for time sharing, given the neighborhood. There are
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hood. The P & Z had asked the planning office to come up with
a resolution denying the project. Anderson agreed this project
does not seem appropriate for the neighborhood. P & Z had felt
that the Prospector was a good opportunity for time sharing,
this is not.
Ms. Fallin moved to adopt the Resolution of the Aspen Planning
and Zoning Commission denying the application for the 825 East
Hopkins timeshare project pursuant to the criteria in Aspen
Municipal Code Section 24-3.3, Conditional use review and
recommending denial pursuant to Section 20-24, timeshare regula-
tions; seconded by Hunt. All in favor, motion carried.
Glenn Horn, planning office, presented a plan from the Commercial
Core and Lodging Commission for this area. One of the goals is
to make the area look nicer, to increase vehicular access on
Mill street, create more parking. The CCLC has recommended
making Mill street one-way south, this would reduce the conges-
tion less at Mill and Main. Harvey asked if there is any input
from businesses in the area, this plan could make it difficult
to get to some businesses.
Horn said one of the reasons to bring it to P & Z is to look at
the implications. Harvey said he would support the goals of the
CCLC; however, there are problems with this. Harvey said this
should be looked at in the larger context of the metro area.
Monroe Summers said the CCLC's concerns are to beautify the
downtown area as well as help businesses. They are interested
in increasing parking. The transportation department does have
some concern with one-waying Mill street because it would impact
the Silverking route. The transportation department has suggestec
the one-way of Mill start at Hopkins.
Hunt said having Mill street one-way all the way to Main street
would make the Mill and Main light useless to going north.
Harvey said that public transportation system and enhancement of
the corner at Mill and Hyman are more important goals to the
P & Z over creation of more parking spaces on Mill and Hyman.
Harvey said the P & Z should see the bigger plan, with current
transportation routes, traffic flows, more information, more
alternatives.
Pardee said one of the goals should be a city that is easy to
get around in; then have accessibility and parking. Getting to
the commercial core should not be at the expense of vehicular
ease and transportation. Harvey agreed in an attempt to ease
congestion and improve access in one spot, it might create more
congestion in other areas. Harvey said it would be nice to tie
the Wheeler into the mall rather than a big traffic jumbled in
front of it.
Pardee said he has a major concern with one-way on Mill, it would
create traffic problems. Pardee said he is in favor of bricking
in front of the Wheeler. Harvey suggested a good extension of
Spring street to improve access to the post office. White said
he would rather see the one-way go north. Harvey asked for a
draft resolution from the planning office of their comments on
this project. Harvey said he would like included the P & Z is
in process of reviewing the GMP, ready to do a physical sketch
plan of the city in light of zoning, planning, transportation,
tourists, access, traffic flows. This would be better seen in
the entire sketch plan.
Ms. Fallin moved to adjourn at 7:20 p.m.; seconded by White. All
in favor, motion carried.
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