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FORM ~~ C. F. HOECKn B. 9. It L. CO.
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
100 Leaves
Reqular Meetinq
Minutes
Planninq & Zoninq
July 2, 1974
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Spencer
Schiffer at 5:07 p.m. with Janet Landry, Robert Barnard,
Jack Jenkins, Geri Vagneur in attendance. Donna Baer
and John Stanford of the Planning Office were also in
attendance.
Tree Ordinance
Parking
Meeting Time
Resolution for
exemption of the
Aspen Medical
Center Bldg.
from definition
of subdivision
Page 2 of the May 30minute~ fourth paragraph from the
bottom. Paragraph beginning Schiffer stated that this
still implied to him should be changed to "Schiffer
stated that this still did not imply to him..."
Correction moved by Jack Jenkins, seconded by
Geri Vagneur and approved by all.
Discussion was opened regarding the possibility of
proposing that trees of all types be prevented from
removal from the downtown area.
Barnard suggested that maybe some provision could be
made in which the trees could be moved instead of
being cut down. It was also suggested that in moving
that it was the responsibility of the person doing
the moving to insure survival.
Bryan Johnson and Chick Collins arrive.
Motion was made that steps be taken to consult with
a tree expert, then get together with the City
Attorney to draw up an ordinance by Jenkins, seconded
by Vagneur. All approved.
Bryan Johnson made the motion that a committe be
formed to consolidate the information that P & Z
now had on parking alternatives and return so
that conclusive action could be taking in forming
zoning requirements. Motion seconded by Vagneur,
All assented.
Bryan Johnson was appointed Chairman by Schiffer.
Committee members will be Jenkins and Vagneur.
They will present their report at the July 16 meeting.
Schiffer opened for discussion the possiblity of
having meetings early in the morning. 4:00 to 6:30
was more agreeable to all concerned. Vagneur suggested
that the meetings be limited to two to two and a half
hours. On site inspections would be a part of the
meeting and would follow regular business.
Motion was made by Jenkins that the P & Z meet
from 4:00 to 6:30 maximum and with on site inspections
fOllowing regular business. Seconded by Barnard,
all approved.
Johnson moved that the Aspen Medical Center Building be
exempted for the definition of subdivision by resolution.
Seconded by Vagneur. All assented with the exception
of Barnard and Schiffer who abstained.
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RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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FORM 10 C. F. HO~CKEL B. B. II: L. CO.
Historic Overlay
District
Schiffer opened for discussion the boards feelings
with regard to the Historic Overlay District and
the public hearing. He suggested that maybe the
matter should be tabled because any decision made
by the board now would be effective one year per
Ordinance 9. He hoped that a criteria could be
developed by the Historic Preservation Committee
before going into the zoning code.
John Stanford felt that the criteria should be separate
from the zoning code because on entire ordinance
procedure must be completed for any change to be
accomplished in the criteria. He also stated that
procedurally, the H.P.C. hope to hold public hearings
when any building came before them for review.
Schiffer felt that with the matter tabled, a resolution
could be made that a criteria could be set up and
presented to Council. Council would or would adopt
the resolution and it would then become part of the
zoning code.
Jenkins felt that the H.P.C. should report to the
P & Z when reviewing and that the P & Z should make
the final decision.
Johnson felt that the district should be approved
with conditions.
Vagneur moved that the matter be tabled until the H.P.C.
could bring back a criteria. Seconded by Jenkins,
all in favor with the exception of Johnson. Barnard
abstained.
City Attorney Stuller informed the board that a
recommendation would have to be made to Council
within 30 days of the public hearing.
Vagneur moved that a resolution formally requesting
criteria and procedures included in the ordinance
and presented as soon as possible. Landry seconded.
All in favor with the exception of Barnard, who
abstained.
Extension of
Ordinance 19
Members of the H.P.C. who were present felt the
criteria would be ready in 2 or 3 weeks to go before
a public hearing.
Schiffer felt that the board was not ready to make
recommendation to Council with regard to Ordinance 19.
For the sake of continuity, he felt that an extension
should be requested. He felt that the board adopt
as guidelines the Planning Office's proposals on
density and F.A.R. At this time he felt that
the status quo on parking be preserved.
Jim Moran requested that if any modification was made
to the ordinance that it be done in explicit language.
He felt there had been great time loss in trying to
determine what the law meant.
Barnard felt that the F.A.R. proposals were a little
stringent but that before they became part of the
zoning code they could be modified.
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FORM 10 C.F.HO~CKELB.B.&L.co.
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RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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Regular Meeting
July 2, 1974
Exemption from
definition of
sUbdivision;
Ward
RBH Building
Planning & Zoning
Length of time of the extension was discussed.
Johnson felt that they should apply for enough
time so that another extension would not be
necessary.
Schiffer felt that a schedule should be set of
study sessions for dealing with the zoning maps
and that these sessions would look at individual
neighborhood.
Janet Landry suggested that a pert chart be
utilized until problems are resolved and they
could come up to a new zoning chart. Schiffer
suggested that Planning put together such
a chart.
Johnson moved for a resolution for an extension
of 6 months of Ordinance 19 with adoption of
density, F.A.R., and parking recommendations.
Seconded by Jenkins; all in favor.
The Ward duplex is an already built duplex
located on Cemetary Lane. He is requesting
an exception to the definition of subdivision.
Schiffer stated that he did not qualify for
an exception in that he did not fall under
the special circumstances for an exception.
He did qualify for an exemption.
Barnard moved that an exemption be granted
from the definition of subdivision under Sec.20-10(c)
in that the property is on platted lots and blocks
and that it does satisfy all the design requirements
of Sec. 20-7. Jenkins seconded. All in favor.
Applying for an exemption from the definition
of subdivision under Sec. 20-10(c) because they
are on platted lots and blocks.
Vagneur is abstaining from discussion and vote.
Donna Baer stated that they met all the necessary
requirements except that of access. She stated
the possibility of access from the Rio Grande
around the back of the Court House between the
shed and into the alley from the west. The Planning
Office would suggest exemption with the condition
that a deed of easement be submitted for Planning
files before a building permit be issued.
Johnson moved that an exemption be granted under
Sec. 20-10(c) because the property is on platted
lots and blocks and did satisfy design requirements
on the condition that they obtain an access easement
from the County and present a copy of the Deed of
Easement to the Planning Department prior to issuance
of a building permit. Barnard seconded. All in
favor except for Collins who abstained.
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FOflM" C.F.HO~CKELB.B.&L.CO.
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
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July 2, 1974
Regular Meeting
RBH Building
Clarification
of Housing &
Parking
Requirements
Ord.19Reviews
Popcorn Wagon
Exemption
AEM Apts.
Request for
Modification
of Deed
Covenant
Planning & Zoning
Conditional conceptual approval was given with employee
housing and parking to be given further consideration.
Planning's recommendation at this time was that the
housing requirement be dropped and that buy-out would
be the solution to the parking requirement if the
developers so chose.
In solving their housing and parking problem, it was
pointed out that all the employees are permanent residents
and already have housing. Also the Trueman property
is only l~ blocks from the proposed building and
they would be willing to lease-out parking from the city.
Barnard moved that the board delete the condition of
housing from the preliminary stage. Johnson seconded.
All in favor except Collins and Vagneur who abstained.
The Popcorn Wagon which would be situated on the old
Snowmass Pavilion site. It would include a patio
and an extension onto the Mall. Tables and chair
would be on the Mall with a fence on one side and
planters on two other sides--no permanent structures.
It was Planning's recommendation that approval for
exemption be granted because of minimal impact.
Collins moved that the Popcorn Wagon be granted an
exemption from Ordinance 19. Johnson seconded;
all in favor.
The owners thru their attorney Marty Kahn request
that some modification be made to the deed covenant
binding them to restrict rental periods to at least
6 months. It was their hope thpt the covenant would
not run forever and that it could be changed by the
board and imposed for a reasonable period of time,
a time period to be decided by the board.
Both Barnard & Jenkins stated that in their background
in requesting approval of their 8 units they were
always discussed in an employee housing sense and that
it was not right for them to come back at this time
and request a change.
Kahn said he thought that conditions would change
in employee housing needs and that it was not fair
to impose a permanent covenant of this type on the
property.
Donna Baer stated that if an when zoning changed in
the area of the property, review of the covenant could
be considered.
Collins felt that when changes did occur in the area,
that it would be at that time that they should come
and request a review and possible change.
Schiffer felt that from a legal standpoint that an
agreement with the City would suffice.
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FORM 10 C.F.HOECKoLB.9.&L.CO.
RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS
100 Leaves
July 2, 1974
Regular Meeting
620 Hyman
Conceptual
Law Four-Plex
Preliminary &
Final
Planning & Zoning
Barnard moved that they do nothing with the request,
leave the covenant as is. Seconded by Jenkins;
all in favor except Schiffer, who dissents.
The developers have returned with a second conceptual
presentation because the first did not meet with the
approval of the board. They reviewed those buildings
that were immediately around them and passed under
Ordinance 19. The new plans have reduced the size
of the building by 25% and that reduction came out of
usable space. The proposal consisted of a restaurant
in the basement level and three other stories that
would house professional office space.
Donna Baer pointed out that the area was zoned
commercial and residential and it was their hope
that housing would be considered on at least one,
preferably the top floor.
Don Fleisher presented the viewpoint of the developers
in that they did not want housing. The disruption
of the open space needed in a professional building
plus the added cost of installing the plumbing needed
for individual units would not be economically sound
for such expensive land. The rental that would have
to be charged would not be in line with employee
housing. Also, he felt that the area was not conducive
to housing, i.e. noise and traffic.
Barnard felt that in all fairness, the building did not
look out of line.
Schiffer stated that the floor ratio was improved by
the 2,000 square feet reduction.
Motion was made by Vagneur that conceptual approval be
granted. Seconded by Barnard; all in favor except Jenkins,
who abstained.
Both Planning and Engineering had reviewed the final
plans for the proposed building and asked that conditional
approval be given. Planning's conditions being 1) to
provide 6 parking spaces and 2) a covenant between the
City and the owners be executed for long term rental.
Engineering conditions were 1) provisions for drainage,
2) existing trees remain and others added and 3) trash
pads be added.
The Board was in agreement with all the above recommedations.
Motion was made by Johnson that approval be given on the
condition that 6 parking spaces be'provided, a long term
rental covenant be drawn between owners and the City,
provisions for drainage be made, existing trees remain
and others added, and trash pads be added. Jenkins seconded,
all in favor.
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FORMIC C.F.HO~CKoLB.8.&L.CO.
Regular Meeting
Planning & zoning
July 2, 1974
Hibberd Duplex
Conceptual
The proposed
7th Streets.
square feet.
duplex would be located on North and
It would cover 3 city lots and 9,000
Mr. Hicks, Lucy Hibber's husband stated that North
Street is not improved and that the alley could
now serve access to the property and the front of
the proposed building.
Geri Vagneur questioned whether the proposed building
would affect the Aspen Institute master plan? It
was determined that it would not.
Motion made by Jenkins that conceptual approval be
given. Seconded by Barnard. All in favor.
Jenkins moved that the meeting be adjourned and
continued at 4:00 p.m. on July 9. Vagneur seconded;
all in favor.
Meeting was adjourned at 7:07 p.m.
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