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Home My WebLink Aboutminutes.apz.19740919 RECORlfFU"SjiRoCEED I NGS 100 Leaves rORMIG C.F.KOECKELB.B.I>L.Co. continued Meeting Aspen Planning & Zoning September 19, 1974 The meeting was called to order by Chairman Spencer Schiffer at 4:50 with members Janet Landry, Dr. Barnard, Geri Vagneur and Jack Jenkins present. Also present were Sandra Stuller, Yank Mojo and John Stanford. City Attorney Ms. Stuller went over some points that she wanted to clear up over the revisions in the zoning code that the members had expressed concern over at the session on Tuesday, September 17. Dr. Barnard asked if she had retained the section on the City having the right to reserve property for five years and Stanford stated that they had taken it out of the whole chapter. Schiffer felt that a vote should be taken on member's feelings towards the view planes since Dr. Barnard had shown his feelings were strong and Ms. Stuller asked him if he would like to see her opinion on them. Schiffer said that another memo he had not gotten was the one on the Limelite parking and Ms. Stuller said that in that opinion the concept was that the applicant had abandoned a non-conforming use for as much parking as was actually provided and then provide parking for the additional units. Barnard brought up how the P & Z had allowed the Glory Hole people to get away with providing only limosine service instead of parking and Landry added they also had to buyout but only if the parking proposed by the applicant does handle the problem and Dr. Barnard was concerned over who would decide when the parking wasn't adequate. Landry thought that the Police would be able to tell them when the congestion was bad but Barnard didn't think that would be the answer. Barnard also questioned the Marcus Building where they had been allowed to buyout their parking and Mojo said that in Commercial Core it was By Right. Ms. Stuller asked if they wanted elected buy-out in the CC area to continue and Barnard said that in Cl to let them provide part of the parking if they can or let them buy-out. Barnard wished to say that the answer to the parking problems lay in using Wagner Park and Schiffer asked what the Council was doing and Mojo said that he had just sent Pizzagalley information to complete the estimate. Johnson mentioned the cost as prohibitive but Barnard argued that they had been thinking about underground parking for 8 years and the cost wasn't getting smaller. Landry questioned whether the City was still thinking of amortizing the loan but Ms. Stuller said the City was tending to want to stay out of the financing. Mojo mentioned that the County might help in financing since it is their land but did not think they were sympathetic at this point. 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Schiffer thought that they could put in a provision that study sessions may only be set by majority vote of the Commission. He said that it was understandable if some couldn't make it for specific reasons but that would be an excused absence. Vagneur asked if the luncheons were really accomplishing anything and Jenkins thought that they helped make the meetings go faster. Ms. Stuller thought that they should change the by-laws so that study sessions would be set as a body but that emergency meetings sometimes need to be called by 1 or 2 members. Y\otion Johnson moved to amend Article 5, Section 1 to read that any member of the Planning and zoning Commission that has 3 or more unexcused absences from regular or special meetings or study sessions during the calendar year may be subject to removal from said Commission by the Mayor or City Council of the City of Aspen with respect to any such study sessions first set by majority vote of the Commission. Jenkins seconded. Johnson noted that it would still be a discretionary thing, since if Council didn't want to remove the person they wouldn't have to and Stanford said that also went for P & Z, too. Barnard said that if a special meeting or study session is called that everyone should be notified. Vagneur asked if this applied to luncheon meetings but Mojo said that he thought of them only as briefing sessions and Johnson thought that since they took a lot of time out of the day for the luncheons that it shouldn't be included. Collins asked what the difference was between a study session and a luncheon and Johnson explained that a study session was called for the members to discuss a special reason. Schiffer said that since the motion had not been voted on yet they should consider the luncheon problem after the vote. All in favor, motion carried. [.lotion Barnard moved that luncheons sessions on the day of a regular meeting be excluded from the definition of study session in the by-laws. Vagneur seconded. All in favor, motion carried. Barnard asked if they couldnt consider limiting the number of times an applicant can keep coming back with the same project. The City Attorney noted that they were talking about PUD and Subdivision reviews in the future except for rezoning requests and did they anticapte people abusing that? Johnson said that he had seen people' projects rejected and then they come back without any changes and it was certainly an abuse of the process. -3- ..,".......-.......-.....,..-...,..;-.., Schiffer disagreed since a discrimination would be felt and they had to keep themselves open to all projects. Johnson moved to adjourn with Vagneur seconding. Meeting adjourned at 5!25 p.m. ~---::> -<, -; ,It'{ ,-..4~~<-~ 'Deputy CJ.ty Clerk, '-' RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FORM 10 C.F,HOECKELB.B.llL.CO. Continued Meeting Aspen Planning & Zoning September 19, 1974 The meeting was called to order by Chairman Schiffer at 4:50 Landry, Dr. Barnard, Geri Vagneur and Jack Jenkins present. Sandra Stuller, Yank Mojo and John Stanford. with members Janet Also present were City Attorney Ms. Stuller went over some points that she wanted to clear up over the revisions in the zoning code that the members had expressed concern over at the session on tuesday, September 17. Bryan Johnson arrives. Change in By-Laws Members had expressed their wish to make sure of attendance at study sessions so that decisions made could stand for the whole Commission. Motion Johnson moved that they consider a change of the by- laws on attendance. Jenkins seconded. All in favor, motion carried. Within the by-laws the attendance section states that any members not attending 3 meetings successively can be asked to leave on the recommendation of the P & Z to the Council. Chick Collins arrives. Motion Johnson moved to amend Article 5, section 1 of the P & Z by-laws provide that for 3 or more unexcused absences of any regular meeting, study session or special meeting, a member may be asked to resign providing that the motion is first set by majority vote and are given 24 hour notice. Jenkins seconded. Vagneur questioned whether luncheons would be included and it was felt by Mojo that these were only briefing sessions rather than a meeting. Motion All in favor except for Collins. Motion carried. t-'X(\Ude Barnard moved to ~ j - - luncheons and Vagneur seconded. All in favor, motion carried. Barnard wanted the members to consider limiting the number of times a person can come before the board. Johnson felt that many had abused the procedures by bringing in the same project. Schiffer disagreed since a discrimination would be felt and that they had to keep themselves open to all projects. Johnson moved to adjourn with Vagneur seconding. Meeting adjourned at 4:25 p.m. d~_LV~-T Deputy Crt Clerk