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Regular Meeting
Aspen Planning & Zoning
July 17, 1973
FORM'. C.F,KOECKHB.ol.lIl.CO.
Meeting was called to order by Vice Chairman Bruce Gillis Bruce Gillis at
5:10 p.m., with Bryan Johnson, Jack Jenkins, and Barbara Lewis. Also present
City/County Planner Herb Bartel, Assistant Planner Donna Baer, and City En-
gineer David Ellis.
Barbara Lewis made a motion to approve the minutes of the July 10th meeting.
Seconded by Johnson. All in favor, motion carried.
Pitkin County
Courthouse -
Historic Zoning
Top of Aspen
Rezoning _ Comments
on County
Recommendations
Vice Chairman Bruce Gillis opened the public hearing on
Historic Zoning for the Pitking County Courthouse.
City/County Planner Herb Bartel explained that: (1) the
Pitkin County C urthouse was a candidate for historic
zoning; (2) that this zoning is not in conflict with
the plane of the County; (3) had received permission
to proceed from the County Commissioners; (4) now
holding a joint meeting of the city P & Z and the
Historic Preservation Commission.
The Historic Preservation Commission had a quorum pre-
sent at the meeting. Robert Marsh, a member of the
Commission, pointed out that the Courthouse meets all
the requirements for historic zoning. Further stated
that H _ Zoning would be necessary for preservation,
of the Courthouse in its present state.
As there were no further comments, Vice Chairman Gillis
closed the public hearing.
Barbara Lewis moved to recommend
Courthouse for historic zoning.
All in favor, motion carried.
the Pitkin County
Seconded by Jenkins.
Planner Herb Bartel explained that the county Board of
Commissioners had made their recommendations on the re-
zoning. The pitkin County Planning and Zoning Reso-
lution concerning the McCullough Oil-Top of Aspen Re-
zoning was submitted to the Commission for their review.
Bartel pointed out that: (1) the application area covers
226.68 acres; (2) existing zoning is R-15, R-30, and
AF-l; (3) the application is such that the development
on the total 230 acres would occur only on the lower
area, 195 acres would remain open and be conveyed to
~ither the County or the Forest Service.
The recommendations of the county were as follows:
(1) All development shall occur according to an
approved PUD plan;
(2) Density shall be limited to 188 dwelling units;
(3) The units shall provide housing for permanent
residents wishing to own a home as well as rent;
(4) The initiation and phasing of construction of
the project shall be approved by the County so
as to correspond to the ability of the public
sector to solve the .problems of impact including
a solution to the school site location serving
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the area;
(5) The applicant shall be required to participate
in a realistic solution to the road and circu-
lation system, in the general area of the project
which shall include a pedestrian path connect-
ing subject property with the Trueman property
being purchased by the City;
(6) Salvation Ditch shall be protected and any
ditch seepage or ditch failure within the pro-
ject area shall be the responsibility of the
applicant. Public access to and along the
ditch shall be preserved;
(7) The land not planned for development (195)acres
shall be dedicated to the Pitkin County Board
of Commissioners or the Forest Service for use
as open space and parkland. In the event that
the land is conveyed to the Forest Service and
the County shall enter into an agreement with
the Forest Service requiring County approval
for any road construction or land use changes
to occur in said area;
(8) Landscaping within the development area shall
by an approved plan;
(9) The developer shall provide for vehicular, pe_
destrian and bicycle circulation within the pro-
ject to include a pedestrian and bicycle ease-
ment along the southern boundary for future
access to schools;
(10) All utilities shall be placed underground;
(11) All building locations, setbacks, heights and
similar matters shall be established according
to an approved PUD plan;
(12) The applicant shall be required to participate
with other land owners in providing a proportion-
ate contribution in a shuttle transportation
system linking the area hereby recommended for
rezoning with Ruby Park.
Bartel stated that the County Planning & Zoning Com-
mission had found that all slopes over 40% should have
no density. Based on preliminary findings, density on
the remaining area (over 8,200 ft.) should be AF zoned.
They had come up with 188 units in the area, whereas the
existing zoning allows 330 units.
At this time, Bartel asked for comments by the Commission
on the County recommendations.
The Commission came up with two recommendations:
(1) The Planning & Zoning Commission would like
to request assurance that public facilities,
i.e., schools, roads, (anything that has an
impact on public facilities) can, in fact,
be provided.
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(2) Further request that with the revision of
the Master Plan, the type of housing not
necessarily be restricted to resident hous-
ing, but rather to the, results of the find-
ings of the revising committee, i.e. which
is more appropriate, short or long-term
housing.
Jim Reser, representing Tri-Co Management, stated
that they would like to see a school built in that
area.
Reser estimated that the completion of the project
would take five years, since it won't begin until
after the Silver King units are finished being
built out.
Jenkins stated that he felt that permanent housing
had a greater impact on the community than did other
housing (schools, hospitals, etc...)
Fred Hibberd-
Final Approval
Assistant Planner Donna Baer scbmitted the agreement
and site plan, and stated that the Planning Office
had not had time to review the agreement. Would
like the Commission to review the agreement.
Ms. Baer stated that she had discussed the situation
with City Engineer David Ellis and is concerned with
the waterline coming off the top in the following
respects: (1) Is there an alternative to coming off
the reserve water tank; (2) Question the ability to
rehabilitate the cut for a 6" line over the bank;
(3) Hesitate to agree to an investment which would
commit us to extensive further development on the
site.
Ellis stated that the original recommendation for a
waterline for adequate fire protection did come down
the hill. Felt this one would be better, but still
on a relatively steep slope and probably would require
excavating equipment. Also felt that the specifications
for burying the waterlines must be resolved. As far
as utilities, would require a letter of confirmation
from the utility companies that they would do it by
hand or allow somebody else to do it by hand accor-
ding to their specifications.
Vice Chairman Gillis stated that water has become
more of a problem, and questioned the capacity of
the reserve tank.
Ellis stated that there was no way the three houses
could be served out of the existing system if there
were houses built beyond. Felt that 3 houses would
not be a substantial load.
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Ellis stated that the reserve tank is currently
being used for domestic supply by the Aspen Alps,
and that it was also a back-up supply for the en-
tire town. Normally, it doesn't drop below 10%,
but during peak periods drops in excess of 50%.
On the question of trail dedication, the Board
of Adjustment did not state whether the dedication
would come prior to the approval of all the units
or afterwards. The Planning Office would like to
see the dedication now.
Hibberd stated that once the dedication took place,
he could be turned down for any further development
that he has plans for, which would be a $16,000 loss
for him. Suggested the deed for the dedication could
be held by the City Clerk and recorded only after
the subdivision approval is given for the balance of
the units to be built on that lot.
At this point, Hibberd gave a quick history of his
project for the benefit of the new members.
Hibberd stated that he felt the vegetation and drain_
age problems had been satisfied. Wants to build a
6" waterline and then revegetate. Stated he is
putting up a $4,000 bond for revegetation over
waterline, and another $4,000 bond for the revege-
tation around the three houses.
Ms. Baer reiterated that the planning Office had
not had time to review the agreement, they were
still concerned about water considerations and~.
revegetation.
Ellis stated that the fire protection capability
would not be as good if another alternative were
used. The current three buildings could be serviced
from the Galena Street water main, but in the future
as development went up the hill, they could not.
Stated that Willard Clapper, the Fire Chief, said
it would allow satisfactory fire protection.
Commission questioned Hibberd on the slope of the
three houses. Hibberd stated that the slope ranged
from 35%-50%.
At this time, the Commission agreed to allow the
Planning Office time to study the agreement, and
also to take a field trip to the site of the project
to allow the new members a chance to see the area.
Vice Chairman Gillis stated that he would like to
see an estimate on the cost of revegetation.
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Hibberd stated that he and Ellis had
$8,000 for the cost of revegetation.
further stated that he had consulted
architect for advice on revegetating
agreed on
Hibberd
a landscape
the project.
Charles Vidal arrived.
Commission agreet to meet at 4:00 p.m. for a field
trip at the Durant parking lot before the meeting
on Thursday.
Hibberd stated that he would like the Commission to
come to agreement on Thursday whether or not he should
do the entire project as one subdivision.
Jenkins suggested the possibility of building their
own reserve tank as one alternative to the problem
of water.
Villa Phase II
Gillis stated that the Commission had taken a field
trip to the site of the project. Sited three major
problems: (1) Need an adequate cul_de_sac; (2) If
they do provide one, they would be too close to the
river; (3) the problem of access.
Jenkins stated that there was no space between that
piece of property and the next, an no space in back.
The Planning Office found that the parking and cir-
culation were generally inadequate. Ms. Baer stated
that the backing space is the bare minimum, and
would create a major problem with snow and/or plants.
Developer stated that there would be a park that
would cover 1/3 acre. Also stated that the pro-
ject would also provide two. parking spaces/unit.
At this point the Commission listed there appre-
hensions with the project:
(1) Must provide an adequate cul-de-sac.
(2) Must provide a plan for an easement.
(3) Question circulation for fire and emergency
vehicles.
(4) Too close to river (6' from high water mark
of this year).
(5) Pollution - possible eliminated with ade_
quate curbing.
(6) Improved spacial relationship with peri-
meter neighbors.
(7) Question total effect on road coming down
to bridge.
(8) Evaluation of density by Planning & Zoning
Commission.
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Bay Street Estates,
Jack Miller -
Stream Margin
Requests
(9) Willard Clapper not satisfied about cut at
bridge _ feel Mr. Clapper should comment.
(10) Would like a public pedestrian access.
(11) Would like to see the possibility of a
trail through the property.
Ms. Baer stated that the Planning Office is satis-
fied with the stream margin requests.
Vice Chairman stated that he was concerned with
any density which would effect the balance of the
greenway. Felt the increased density would affect
the river.
Jack Jenkins stated that if all the lots were de-
veloped to that extent, the area would be unlivable.
Should be looking at the long-term solution for
that area.
Area resident George Mansfield stated that there
are.increased problems with parking and density
with duplexes. Did not feel the problem would
be as great with single_family dwellings.
Developer of Bay Street Estates pointed out that
this would not be a typical duplex. There would
be separate ownership for each side of the duplex.
At this point, Miller's attorney stated that they
were just to be discussing the stream margin re-
quest at this meeting.
Remo Lavagnino, another area resident, stated that
he felt that the building of these duplexes would
affect the stream margin request on the grounds of
increased density. Felt it would affect the stream's
important natural feature.
It was pointed out that the Commission has
to make their decision. Commission agreed
this discussion until Thursday, July 19th.
act on the requests at that time.
30 days
to table
Would
As there was no further discussion, Barbara Lewis
moved that the meeting be adjourned, seconded by
Bryan Johnson. All in favor, meeting adjourned
at 7:15 p.m.