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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19730814 -- RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FORM't C. F. KO[(~EL B. a. It L co. Continued Meeting Aspen Planning & Zoning August 14, 1973 Chairman Jim Adams called the meeting to order at 5:15 p.m. with Bruce Gillis, Barbara Lewis, Bryan Johnson, and Jack Jenkins. Also present City/County Planner Herb Bartel. Trueman Property - Use Proposals Bartel stated that he had met last week with City At- torney Sandra Stuller, City Manager Russ Campbell, and James Trueman. Trueman explained that he had a prospec- tive buyer for his 8-acre parcel and had prepared some land uses he wanted to discuss with Bartel. After the meeting on Saturday, they came up with some proposals to present to the Commission. Bartel explained that following these proposals the Commission must outline considerations. Further stated that basically the land use concepts they were talking about were the same as the Commission had considered. Larry Yaw was present representing R. Schottland and distributed copies of a report summarizing their land use concepts. Stated that this document becomes a point of reference for everyone involved. Further stated it would be 60 days until the preliminary site plan would be ready. Yaw pointed out that a standard shopping center on that site is not what anyone wants. Trying to catch a cer- tain type of feeling. Yaw stated that there were a number of similar commercial developments in California. Yaw stated that the buildings planned will be 2 stories, possibly some 3 stories against the hill. Basically, they envision the project as an extension of Aspen: (1) pedestrian walkway oriented; (2) no vehicular traffic; (3) not tourist-oriented; (4) parking on the perimeter. Yaw pointed out four planning considerations: (1) is located in~ a link between Silver King-West End and Red Mountain-pitkin Green areas and can be reached by pedestrians and vehicles so as not to encumber the main Aspen arterials; (2) site character - extension of Aspen character; (3) architecture would draw on same determinants as Old Aspen (texture, Victorian, roof form, etc..), buildings clustered, linked by pedestrian spaces; (4) equestrian right-of-way. Initial phase is set at approximately 80,000 square feet. Will be a condominium commercial area, where the businessmen own the space where they have their busi- ness. Will only be able to build after it is pre-sold, and will build over approximately a three-year period. Gillis questioned how a liquor store would get down there since Council had recently rejected an appli- cation for one. Schottland stated that there is a market in that area and Attorney Bob Gruetter pointed out that Council was contemplating a liquor store in that area. Bartel distributed sections of Ordinance #19 which ap- plied to this area. . ,~",,'_~'"_'"_'+~~'''___'_'"''_''~''' '_',',"."~.,",..., _.."_. "0 ,.,~ ~" RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FORM '." C- r. HOECKI'I. B. 8.& LCD. continued Meeting Aspen Planning & Zoning August 14, 1973 Chairman Adams pointed out that there were several con- siderations for the Commission: (1) uses; (2) defini- tion of neighborhood this is to serve; (3) scale; (4) impact on the core area; (5) development schedule. Bartel stated the Commission should make general com- parisons between use proposals and Ordinance #19. Fur- ther, should list of uses in first phase and should make overall considerations, due to the scale of the project. Stated that this area has the potential for the neighborhood commercial center in Ordinance #19 which includes: (1) retail service area for Aspen; (2) limited industrial uses - service uses; (3) office - retail mixes. Bartel recommended se~eral uses for the property: a market, branch-service bank (drive-up window), dry clean- ing, appliance, TV, Furniture, auto service center (could include gas station), carpet, drapes, flooring. Stated this area could pick up some of the businesses the core doesn't have. Chairman Adams stated the problem is with the definition of a neighborhood shopping center. Jenkins pointed out that a project of this scale would require enough people to draw on in order to succeed. Bartel stated that he meant small-scale, not a large collection. Charles Vidal arrived. Bartel pointed out that the only control the Commission has is that they control all uses. Jenkins stated that businesses who are presently mis- located could move there, but questioned if that would create a problem in the core area. Yaw pointed out that the uses are intended to service the residents, unlike the tourist-oriented core area. Further stated that they needed to deal with the uses, the programming, and the site and character studies. Vidal questioned whether they were trying to get an idea on the uses for the project or the square-footage. Yaw stated that they have set out what characteristics they want. Discussion on the massing of the site. Yaw stated that there would never be more than 60% coverage, with combinations of 1-2 story elements. would define pedestrian spaces, peripheral parking, They etc. Vidal stated that he had no problems with the uses, rather was concerned with the massing. Most uses look like ground-floo~ uses. May have conflict between uses and space allocation. Gillis questioned how many employees would be necessary or if the labor market is here now. Schottland stated that most of these businesses would be small with few employees. Further pointed out that ......"~...,~~-"',."'~..~.,_.~."---,"""'"'"_.-"...~.~ . "".,...,, RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FOR"'''. C.F.HOE:CKELH.B.Il:L.CO. continued Meeting Aspen Planning & Zoning August 14, 1973 that they could not compete with the core area. Chairman Adams questioned exactly how much the project would compete with the core and with the rest of the businesses in ASpen. Further pointed out his concern with local traffic. Vidal stated he would like to see some of the intense vehicular use in the core area drawn away. Felt your everyday necessity visits should be moved out of the core, such as post office, market, hardware store, etc. Lewis stated that the core area would be left with busi- nesses that are seasonal. Questioned the effect of this. Adams stated that a free feeling was desirable for the core area, not a situation of bumpers and tailights. Further requested Commission comment on the mixed uses. Need to keep core area vital. Bartel pointed out that there was a procedural problem. Ordinance #l9 was designated to review a building. Obviously under Ordinance #l9, can't handle the com- mitments involved in this project. Stated the Com- mission would need the assistance of City Attorney Stuller to deal with concept and documentation so every- one knows what is being dealt with. Bartel stated that a major consideration is to identify a retail service center for the ASpen area. Need to find another area for light industrial units and an answer for the transit system. Schottland pointed out that the cost of space would end up costing the businessman 25-30% lower than rental space in the core area. Gillis moved to approve the minutes of July l7th and 19th, seconded by Jenkins. All in favor, motion carried. Lewis moved to adjourn the meeting at 6:55 p.m., seconded by Johnson. All in favor, meeting adjourned. / L