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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19721128 . .. - ,~- \ FORM 51 C.F.HOECKELB.B.aL.CO. RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves Continued Meeting Planning and Zoning November 28, 1972 Meeting was called to order at 5:15 p.m. by acting Chairman Jim Adams, with Charles Collins, Barbara Lewis, Bruce Gillis, and City/County Planner Herb Bartel. City/County Planner Herb Bartel reported that he had been in contact with Mr. Hyde, and he is only interested in leasing his land but will work with the City on that basis. Implementation Sequence for Transportation Plan (Truman property) The firm of Walls & Sterling was present to represent Mr. Truman. In the Transportation Plan as drawn up by Voorhees, phasing called for 4 acres at the North end of Galena Street, with $600,000 allowed for land purchases by 1973 to construct parking for approximately 900 spaces. Estimated cost of the parking structures was two million dollars. They feel there are higher priorities than spending $2,000,000 for structured parking, it will cost $2,000,000 for 360 spaces at the South end of Galena. A sketch was presented by Mr. Bartel showing a 2 level parking structure on the Truman property. Essential elements are: (1) Mall takes 300 spaces out, the considera- tion now is for replacement with Hyde Property (2) Easement function at end of Galena, spaces for shuttle require 15,000 square feet. Shuttle turn around waiting area, and land- scaping (3) Galena Street should not be used for vehicular access. Emergency vehicles, pedestrians and buses only, No way to economically provide parking with the proposed build- ing that is going to come to Aspen. These problems have to be resolved: replacement for Mall spaces; employee parking; a solution for lift terminals. Could public money be used to build parking lot for retail development on RR property? The P & Z should be consistant as underground parking at the Hyde Property was not accepted. Topography lends the Truman property to structured parking. Mr. Adams felt that differences between summer and winter should be considered, as the needs will change. In the winter a shuttle can handle the people, but in the summer the public will not use the shuttle as much for they are more mobile. Do we need this parking forever, or will it be phased out? It was also brought out that the public parking on the Truman property may be paid parking, and the spaces that Mr. Truman has to provide would be free parking. Some- how this must be related to private development, policing alone would be an enormous problem. Hunter, Monarch and Durant are now used mostly for employee parking, why not make this available for shoppers parking, and use the RR property for employee parking. Mr. Adams felt that it is a myth that the shoppers would take the shuttle at the North end of Galena. - RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves fORM 10 C.F.HOECKELB.B.lll.CO. Continued Meeting Planning and Zoning November 28, 1972 Bob Sterling, representing Mr. Truman, stated the options as far as Mr. Truman is concerned on the property are: He bought 19.5 acres, certain acres are more valuable, and the acreage at the North end of Galena is very valuable. An unrealistic value has been attached to the land by the P & Z. This location is a realistic tie-in for pedestrians and the shuttle. The P & Z should discuss the area West of Galena because of cost. Mr. Walls said the City was asking for 4 acres, and the cost to the City would be prohibitive on Galena, because it is in the heart of the development. Mr. Truman was trying to tie his development in with the rest of the town, and if the parking were put there it would only break up the development, and cut the retail area off from the Galena corridor. The two options to the City were to lease or buy. Mr. Truman has to provide 700 parking spaces, for the condominiums and retail outlets. The public will use the free parking first before they pay City parking. Mr. Truman needs to know where and how; lease or buy; some sort of direction now, as the project is being held up. Mr. Bartel stated that he felt that it is the responsibility of the developer to assist in implementing the Galena shuttle as he is changing the land for his own use. He understands that Mr. Truman is going to provide for the turn around for the shuttle. A way has to be found to provide parking for the employee that is less expensive. A minimum of 500 spaces has to be provided. The shuttle bus system will not work if it does not link two parking areas was the feeling of Mr. Collins and Mr. Adams. Mr. Collins felt that topography lent itself to the parking structure and it would be cheaper. The design of the structure is 600 feet long, by 250 feet wide and would hold 880 cars on the two levels. Shops would be on the top Galena Street level along the shuttle bus terminal. Mr. Collins suggested that parking for 500 cars would be enough and the cost of the building could be reduced by not making the building as large. Parking could be provided on the top rather than shops, and at a later date, when the parking was phased out, the City could then sell the property for commer- cial development. Perhaps Mr. Truman could build one level of parking and the City the other. It was felt they could work together for the benefit of the other. Mr. Bartel explained that the spaces lost for the Mall could be found on streets outside the core for the shoppers if the parking for the employees was located elsewhere. The employee did not need high speed shuttle service, could the land at the West end of Galena serve this purpose? Mr. Collins and Adams did not agree that parking was not needed at the shuttle terminal. - RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FOllMIG C.F.HOECKELB.B.&L,CO. Continued Meeting Planning and Zoning November 28, 1972 Charles Collins made a motion that the P & Z Commission re- commend to the City Council to proceed to provide parking at the North end of Galena Street consistant with recommendations of the Voohees Transportation Plan, that is 500 cars minimum. To give consideration to implementing this with a structure, which would best serve this purpose. Bruce Gillis seconded. All in favor, motion carried. Mr. Bartel asked that if the cost is between 2.5 and 3 million did the P & Z Commission want to request the City Council to let them have another look at it? The consensus of the P & z members was no. Barbara Lewis made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 7:00 p.m. Seconded by Bruce Gillis. All in favor, meeting adjourned. ~ ~ ~ ording Sec.