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FORM IB C. r. ~OECKEL 8. 6. !!! L. CO.
Regular Meeting
Aspen Planning and Zoning
August 3, 1971
Meeting was called to order by Chairman Robin Molny at 5:00 P. M. with James
Adams, James Breasted, Charles Collins, Vic Goodhard, Anthos Jordan and
Charles Vidal. Also present Herb Bartel, City/County Planner and Fred Wooden,
Assistant Planner.
Minutes
Minutes - Breasted moved to approve the minutes of July
20th with the correction of the heading. Seconded by
Collins. All in favor, motion carried.
Study Session - Commission request the minutes be amended
to include the wording "with PUD" at the end of the
consensus statement.
Public Hearing -
City Hall
Public Hearing - City Hall - Chairman Molny opened the
public hearing.
Mr. Wooden read the recommendations outlined in the Master
Plan, and stated since the 1966 Plan does not agree with
the recommendation because of the following reasons:
(1) Extensive remodeling of the present City Hall structure
has taken place;
(2) It would be fiscally difficult to commit to such a
project of such magnitude;
(3) Delineation of this recommendation would not affect
the long range objectives of the Master Plan.
It is estimated to make the present structure structurally
sound would cost about $30,000. A distinction has to be
made as to whether the present building has historical
significance.
Chairman Molny closed the public hearing.
Mr. Jordan reiterated previous statement by City Manager
Wurl that the City facilities could stay in this one half
block for 20 years. Question now is whether the area next
to the court house should be pursued or not and whether
the present structure structure should be removed or re-
modeled.
Mr. Bartel pointed out the City does not have any other
land that has the relationship to the court house as the
present site does.
Commission request Mr. Bartel relay the City Planning and
Zoning's views to the County Planning and Zoning.
Mr. Vidal pointed out the Commission should allow for
alternatives and not commit the City to one location at
this time, until such time as more information is available
on the designation of the present structure.
Breasted moved to table a decision on this public hearing.
Seconded by Jordan. All in favor, motion carried.
Parking RequirementsChairman Molny opened the public hearing on parking re-
C-C, C-l quirements in the C-C and C-l zones and parking fees.
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Chairman Molny outlined the proposal as being $4,800 fee
per space for leasing from the City in lieu of providing
spaces in the zones mentioned above. Mr. Molny read ex-
cerpt of Ordinance #21, Series of 1968 which allowed leasing
of parking spaces. Since that time ordinance has been
amended to allow the City Manager to establish the parking
fee.
Mr. Dunaway questioned if the requirements for parking are
eliminated, how does one know how many spaces a person is
to lease. Mr. Bartel stated the requirements would not be
eliminated but the choice of either providing parking on
the site and leasing would be eliminated. It would be
mandatory to lease to fulfill the parking requirements in
the C-C and C-l zones.
Mrs. Carla Cutting questioned where the spaces are being
provided.
Mr. Vidal explained there is nothing definite at this time,
but when the transportation study is complete some other
form of transportation system may be proposed and the car
eliminated.
Chairman Molny stated the Planning and Zoning would not
want to recommend to the Council the buying of spaces when
a different form of transportation may be approved.
Mr. Dunaway suggest that in light of recent City Council
action, the Planning and Zoning tailor their ammendment so
that payments could be made over a 20 year period.
Chairman Molny closed the public hearing.
Mr. Herb Bartel suggest the Planning and Zoning consider
carefully their recommendations in light of recommending
something that there is no financing available for as re-
lates to the City and also the developer.
Mr. Jordan stated it is imperative to have an absolute
policy in the C-C zone but feel the C-l zone should be an
either/or situation due to the building being erratic.
Mr. Bartel pointed out if the City is ever going to have a
central transportation facility, they cannot do one thing
in one district and not in the other, building will be
primarily in the C-l zone. Chairman Molny pointed out to
limit mandatory leasing to the C-C zone would not provide
sufficient funds.
Discussed AR zones. It was pointed out the AR zones should
provide parking on the site due to the types of businesses
in these zones i. c. lodges, restaurants, etc.
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Mr. Bartel reported there are three alternatives to pro-
viding parking under the streets; Wagner Park or parking
areas scattered around the core area. Only other alternative_
is a parking district. Only problem with a district is the
valuation in the C-l and C-C zones is not htat high.
Collins questioned whether the funds generated would
compliment a transit system.
It was pointed out the proposal of today is not the answer
to the total problem.
Mr. Goodhard pointed out in the interim the congestion will
increase because the spaces are not being provided. It was
pointed out the option is open to those presently providing
to lease and they would be allowed to build on their park-
ing if they lease the spaces.
Mr. Collins suggest the parking areas eliminated be left
as open space. Mr. Vidal pointed out the $20.00 a month
per space will be looked at by the bonding agent and that
is the basis he will use to back up and sell the bonds.
This will provide an economic base in order to make the
bonds saleable.
Consensus of the Commission was to limit mandatory leasing
to the C-l and C-C zones with no option to other districts;
recommend $4,800 per space over 20 year period; monies
not be ear-marked specifically for parking alone but con-
sider other considerations in the transportation realm;
conditioned upon whether this would be a imposition on the
financing of the developer.
Breasted moved to table action on thE public hearing until
the next meeting. Seconded by Vidal. All in favor, motion
carried.
Zoning - Fothergill/Zoning Fothergill/Cutting Annexation - It was pointed out
Cutting Annex the Planning and Zoning Commission at their public hearing
recommended R-15 zoning as existed in the County. Master
Plan was not considered at the time of the recommendation,
which indicates medium residential zoning.
Mrs. Cutting was present and stated she has about 45,000
square feet of land. She was told at the time of annexation
she could have RMF zoning classification. Was told this
would be automatic by City Manager Wurl. The Smuggler
Trailer Court and McCullough's land are zoned RMF, so am
requesting the same.
Chairman Molny pointed out it has been the policy of the
Commission that areas in the outlying zones are zoned upon
annexation in a classification as close to the County
classification as possible. Mr. Bartel pointed out Garrish
Park is a divider between the R-6 zoning and RMF.
Mrs. Cutting pointed out Fothergills desired annexation and
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Open Space Anne x
No. 1 Zoning
25% Open Space
Requirement
Goals Objective
Traffic Control
Main Street
Uhlfelder
in order for them to do so, her property had to be included.
Also, Mrs. Cutting stated she had been contacted by the
Sanitarian and was told she would have to do something
about her water, since annexation the Sanitarian has not
contacted her.
Commission agreed to table this item until next week Tues-
day at 5:00 P. M. and talk to the City Manager.
Open Space Annexation No. 1 Zoning - Collins moved to
recommend to the City Council to designate the specific
zoned district of the Open Space Annexation No. 1 as P
(park) with the following exceptions: Lots 1, 2, 3, 6 & 7
in Block 1 of Pitkin Mesa and Lot 3 of Block 2, Pitkin Mesa
and the Mills property and property immediately to the north
boundary by the west property line of Mills property be
zoned R-15. Seconded by Adams. Roll call vote - Vidal aye;
Jordan aye; Adams aye; Breasted aye; Collins aye; Goodhard
aye; Molny nay. Motion carried.
25% Open Space Requirement - Chairman Molny suggest the
open space requirements be considered on a cubic foot
basis rather than the square foot basis to give more flex-
ibility in design. Commission request this appear on the
next agenda.
Resolution and amendment to the goals objective relating
to economy were submitted. Jordan moved to adopt the
resolution as submitted and the amendment. Seconded by
Vidal. All in favor, motion carried.
Traffic Control, Main Street - Vidal was the only member
of the Planning and Zoning Commission who felt a traffic
light on Main Street has become a necessity. Remaining
members stated they felt the use of police officers at
intersections when needed and also one way streets should
be tried prior to traffic light. Suggestion was made by
Mr. Jordan that certain size vehicles should be denied
certain streets. Suggestion was made the pedestrian cross-
ings be painted. Vidal pointed out the Council is going to
consider the economic solution to the problem as well,
lights are less expensive than traffic policemen.
Uhlfelder - Chairman Molny pointed out in checking the
permit the old part of the building was based on the old
density, the new section is based on the new density.
Commission request the next agenda include the building at
the old No.1 lift area as public toilets.
Adams moved to adjourn at 7:00 P. M., seconded by Jordan.
All in favor, meeting adjourned.
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~ Lorraine Graves, Secretary