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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.apz.19720307 - -... ~ RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves fn~"" C- F. HOECKEl D. B. 8: L. co. Regular Meeting Aspen Planning & Zoning March 7, 1972 Meeting was called to order by Chairman Robin Molny at 5:00 p.m. with Jim Breasted, Anthos Jordan, Jim Adams and City/County Planner, Herb Bartel present. Breasted moved to approve the minutes of February 15, seconded by Adams. All in favor, motion carried. J. R. Williams Annexation - Bruce Kistler presentation. Molny asked Kistler is his application was in association with Peter Mocklin's. "l Kistler said that he had applied jointly in the County with Peter Mocklin for PUD, but that he was not associated with Mocklin in his application for annexation to the City. He added that he was making a zoning application in the County and an:,annexation application to the City at the same time because of the semi annual zone change rule could cause him to lose 6 months if he applied consecutively. The Planning Commission looked at maps of the Williams property. Bartel told the Commission that the Council had set an annexation hearing for April 10th, and that the application would contain a request for RMF zoning which allows a density of 1500 square feet per dwelling unit; the plan recommends 2,000 square feet per dwelling unit, he said. The plan also calls for reserved rights of way and an elementary school site in the area, Bartel said, and added that the City would have to act on zoning along with annexation, and that in this case a request to table the application in the County should be made. Kistler said that he would prefer annexation, and tabling of the County application would satisfy him if it did not prej- udice his case with the County. Molny asked how many dwelling..units there would be at 1500 square feet. Kistler showed the Commission some drawings and said that some units would have three floors, some would have 1, 2, 3 or 4 bedrooms am that there would be a variety of structure types. Collins arrived. Kistler continued that there would be 62 units and some studio apartments. Bartel commented that there could be 80 units at 2,000 square feet; about the same density as Silver King develop- ment. Zoning, he said, would be a condition of petition for annexation. Kistler pointed out that part of the site will not be used a talL Adams s ta ted tha t the Commis s iollI' .i.s working on" two relevant projects: 1) a general circulation plan and per- haps this application is premature until that is completed; 2) an evaluation of AR and tourist zoning south of Main Street which may show a need to reduce what already exists. ,,-"", '.... RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves HRM'O C,LHOECKELB.a.IIl.CQ. Regular Meeting, Aspen P & Z, 3/7/72 Molny asked Kistler about his construction plan, and Kistler answered that is was 3 years, but that it could be accel- erated. Jordan agreed with Adams that traffic would be a major problem and perhaps the ciroulation plan should be decided between town and this area before other decisions are made. Kistler showed on the map a ciroulation plan using Lone Pine Road and including circular access entering Gibson Avenue,and stated that this could be done if Mocklin par- ticipates. Molny commented that that is already a bad corner. Kistler said that he and Mocklin had agreed to construct a foot bridge to Spring Street. Concerning the question of AR zoning south of Main, Kistler stated, that he didn't think that area should be one for permanent residents, and that the benefit of his plan was that it would draw perm- anent residents away from the core, and that furthermore it would provide housing for people who live down valley an now must drive their cars into town. Adams asked if this housing would be for employees. KLstler said that the plan was to sell the units in groups of 2 or 3 to investors who would hold them as rentals; they are not intended to be condominiums, he said. Molny remarked that they could be converted as rentals. Kistler agreed that they could be. Bartel remarked that the real problem is what kind of hous- ing we need in Aspen. He said that the Silver King still has 300 units to be built, and that the true need is for single family units, but that land costs preclude this kind of building. Breasted said that a contribution should be made toward solving the circulation problem, and that this should include the Silver King people. Molny asked Breasted for a clarification. Breasted said that what is needed are by-passes, bridges, roads, these must be built, he said, and there will be a price tag. Collins pointed out that there is alot of development going on and the pieces should be put together. Molny said that the Commission is concerned at present about the whole transportation, circulation problem, and that the area in question is the one where it is possible to realign and rearrange. Adams said that another concern is that in a year or twg it may be decided that there has been enough building, and that there may be a trend to spread people along the proposed transit line instead of concentrat- ing in the immediate Aspen area. Breasted said that the transportation system may make concentration more feasible. -,a- ~ ."', RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves fC'R" ,( C. F.1l0ECKtt,a. a_a. L. co. Regular Meeting, Aspen P & Z, 3/7/72 Bartel said that this problem would have to be resolved in the County. The first part of the transportation study, he added, will be ready March 17th., and the Council will want a recommendation on the Williams project on April 10th. Molny said that he felt another look should be taken at the Williams proposal before the hearing date but after it had been balanced with transportation study findings. Kistler repeated the advantages be believed resulted from segragating permanent from tourist population, and the fact that this project might take automobiles off the street. He added that he felt growth would continue, and that his site was a good place for it. He stated that in his opinion the site did not lend itself to R-15 because of surrounding uses such as the hospital, Silver King Apartments and the C-2 zoning on the railroad property. Molny said that he felt the Commission should look at the proposal again on April 4th. Cooper Street Mall Cooper Street Mall - Fritz Benedict was in the audience and said that he and three others had come to the meeting representing the ETF and most of the business and profess- ional people on the 500 block of Cooper to present thoughts on a mini mall for that area. He said that it was felt that it may be a long time before a big mall is achieved and that a mini mall should be established which would include a permanent closing of the street, planting and landscaping and that it would be done with private donations, He said there had been some opposition from restaurant owners who already had outdoor service on their own property, and therefore the idea may be dropped by the other restaurants to expand that kind of service. Benedict said that the purpose of coming before the Commission was to obtain some encouragement from its members so that more detailed designs could be implements by next fall. He said that he had a petition with 12 signatures from a total of about 15 in the block. The Sinclair station, he said, did not want to lose Independence Pass traffic, and that perhaps the mall should permit one narrow east-west lane of traffic. Breasted wondered why something could not be tried this summer. Benedict said that time had run out and that it would be better not to do it at all if it couldn't be done properly. Molny asked what the Master Plan had to say about a mall in the area. Bartel answered that the other side of Galena was con- sidered for a mall by the Master Plan, but since that time uses have been established on the 500 block of Cooper that better lend themselves to a mall. Molny wanted to know if the plan was to tear up pavement; -3- ~""",,'-"~"""~""'---------""~""--'. . ..,..-, RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves ,ORM -, C. F. ~3"CKEL B. e. It L. co. Regular Meeting, Aspen P & Z, 3/7/72 he said he also had some suggestions: one traffic lane for the time being, raised planters to reduce dog problem, and people in the block should sign the plan to be presented to the Council. Jordan commented that if we don't have a mall we are going to have a smog ridden eity; he said he would favor a mall on both sides of Galena and suggested that the people working on the project try to extend it. He added that he felt one lane traffic was a good idea, but that using the alley might be considered to solve the problem. Benedict said that Joe Wilson was worried about merchandise loading. He added that Mr. Holmes had threatened to sue if traffic were cut off. Adams asked if there would be parking, and Benedict answered that there would not. Benedict added that it would be difficult to extend the mall to the other side of Galena because as in the past, violent opposition could be expected from Aspen Sport because of loading problems. Hank Pedersen commented that the community is aware of the pressure for a business center outside of town, and he felt that if the City did more this development would not occur. Molny stated that the concensus of the Commission was that all members support the project and would be willing to help. , Bikeways Bikeways - Bartel reported thatthe Chief of Police had re- quested an evaluation of the possibility of changing the code so that bikeways could go both ways on one way streets, however, this would necessitate bike lanes and requiring their use would be just as difficult to enforce. Bartel siad that he and the City Engineer agreed that it would be best to require that the bikes go in the same direction as the cars on one way streets and that a program of public notification and education be instituted to explain the requiremen t. Jordan said that it was the responsibility of the City to encourage the use of bikes and that ticketing would dis- courage bicycling. We are automobile oriented, he said, and this must be discouraged through education. Breasted said that bike lanes are an erroneous idea unless they are maintained. Adams said that he would like to see the bikes go in the same direction as the cars, but that he would like to see warnings, not ticketings. -4- --.-.,......-.,.._.~...,-~~.~.,.< "....~-~..-_-' RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FOR" '.0 C.LHGECKELB.a.ftL,CO. Regular Meeting, Aspen P & Z, 3/7/72 Planned Neighborhood ijommercial and Square Footage Limitation - Bartel said that the Planning Commission had recommended these ordinances to Council 6 months ago, but that the Council had two concerns regarding the proposals: 1) square footage limitations should be applied to all uses 2) planned neighborhood commercial should be restricted from established residential areas. Both of these additions had been made, Bartel said; the second had been accomplished by restricting C-PN to areas that had not been subdivided prior to the amendment and to areas on major streets with 100' of right of way. The latter restriction, he said, would mean that only the highway and Garmisch could accommodate such developments, and that Garmisch was eliminated by the fact that it was already subdivided. Bartel said that he would like a recommendation of these changes from the Planning Commission. Breasted said that he disagreed with restricting C-PN to areas not yet subdivided. Bartel commented that there weren't that many potential areas due to lack of space and demand for the type of serv- ice C-PN would provide. If we want neighborhood services in AR or other districts, he added, this provision should be made in the zoned district as desired. Breasted wondered if the concept was at all useful. Molny said that it would work in the case of future annex- ations. Bartel said that it could also be applied to the railroad property with the extension of Spring Street as a 100 foot right-of-way; He pointed out that suggested use deletions have never been adopted as they are included in the square footage limitation provision. He read the deletions from the ordinance. Adams commented that the City needed some help from the County to make the measures meaningful. Bartel said the County P & Z had recommended the measures, but that the Commissioners had not acted on them because the City Council had not ye~made a decision on the proposal. Adams said that some people feel that malls, being proposed for the City, would encourage growth in outlying areas, and he felt C-PN would counteract this kind of activity. Adams moved to recommend the adoption of the amended ord- inances, and that the Council adopt the ordinances to be effective upon the County's adopting complementary ordinances Breasted seconded the motion. -5- RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS 100 Leaves FORM 'c' c. r. ~UECI{EL B. a. e. L. co. Regular Meeting, Aspen P & Z". 3/7/72 Anthos wanted to know what kind of drug stores would be permitted. Bartel answered that they would be of the Aspen Drug type rather than department store type. Dunaway co~ented that the 3,000 square foot limitation can not be realistically imposed. Baj.tel indicated that the 3,000 square foot limitation is to apply primarily to the speciality shops and that it could be administered for those uses, but that a drug store could easily avoid the limitation. All in favor, motion passed. It was decided to table consideration of the proposed County subdivision regulation until all comments were in frlom members at the next meeting. Hunter Creek Va lley Hunter Creek Valley - Members examined a proposed resolut- ion recommending the Forest Service purchase the Top of Aspen properties in Hunter Creek Valley. Bartel said that a needed correction was to emphasize proximity to the City as an important reason for purchase by the Forest Service. Resolution was approved. (See attached) Adams moved to adjourn the meeting, Breasted seconded. All in favor, meeting adjourned at 6:45 p.m. R~~~ Lorraine Graves, Secretary ,",~'.---'-"---"'-----""