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MINUTES
1 JGINT ME"'""~NG OF THE ASPEN AND PITKIN C CNTY PLANNING AND IDNING
COMMISSI(.S
10 SEPT 63 7:45 P.M. CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS
PRESENT WERE: FRED BENEDICT
EDWARD MORSE
JACK WALLS
FRANK HUMPHREY
SAM CAUDILL
BILL I1cEACHRN
FRANCIS WHITAKER
MIKE GARPJSH
KEN MOORE
INTERESTED PARTIES: MR & MRS DUNAWAY
Mr. Mc Eachm read the minutes of two previous meetings. Mr. Whitaker moved the minutes
be approved as corrected, Garrish seconded-motion passed.
The following letters were read byMr. McEachm:
copy here/ from Richard L Brown
" / to Richard L Brown
Walls reviewed the contract items as stated in Brown's letter.
Mc Eachm read a letter from FW in which W stated his opposition to Mr. Wiener's
concept of Aspen's Master Plan.
Walls agreed with FW, adding that a MSR Plan was essential, that Wiener had a good
plan, however, it was, in Walls' opinion, "fed to us" without proper research or
proper consideration for improvement upon the existing Image of Aspen. Walls outlined
the fu~ction of the newly formed City Advisory Committee: the three sub-committees,
l-Tourist, Residential & Business, 2-Park,Recreation & Education, 3-Streets, Highways
& Parking were to combine their findings in a paper wfdch would e<press the views
of the committee in regard to the future needs of Aspen: 1his would not be a critique
of Wieners plan, but a result of research. Mr. Whitaker stat.d that the committees'
function should be to gather info, project same into the future in order to find
the needs ~undamental to a Master Plan for Aspen, Walls said the important factor is
an express'on of views and ideas on the part of Aspenites, whether these vietl1l are
accepted or rejected; it is necessary that they be stated.
Mr. Dunaway pointed out that few peop~e are fully imformed of Mr. Wiener's plan and
said if the maps were available, Mr. I~addy of the Bank of Aspen offered to hang them.
He added that the plan is difficult to intej1pret without the maps.
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Mayor Garrish - "This whole thing hLs been a crock--an utter dissapointment as a
preliminary plan. Wiener didn't sell 10 per-cent of the people. I have been accused
of being against planning in this town, but so help me God, if you use this as a master
plan for Aspen, you'll ruin the collllIllinity."
Mr. Whitaker said we should reject the plan and that the plan sh01:.ld have had researcho
Mr. Lai stated that the plan as it is looked lik~ it didn't need any research.
A discussion followed regarding payment to Mr. Wiener. Mr Whit suggested we refuse
payment on the grounds that he didn't /;114 perform per contract. Walls suggested
that we give Wiener a chance to perform. Garrish pointed out that this is not up to
the Planning Commission--the three entities invilved should arrive at a decision ie-
the City of Aspen, the Aspen Institute and Pitkin County. Walls suggested the Plannirg
Commission write to Wiener. Mr. Whit thought that' at this point, it would be more
effective to deal with the State of Colorado Division of Co~mmerce & Develooment.
Mr. Morse said we're "off the pad before the rocket is even fired"'--we must be decisive
and we must know what we want before we proceed further.
Mr. Whit moved that the Planning Commission reply tothe letterfrom the State Planning
Office. Caudill 2nd--mot:i.on pasJed.
Walls suggested that the Planning Commission advise the chathnan of the City Advisory
Committee, Ed Stanton, to suspend action until the matter is settled. Mr. Morse said
it would be useful to collect the data anyway. Walls suggested that the Planning
Commission suspend Mr. Wiener's proposal as of now. All present agreed.
McEachproposed a change in the bylaws for the Planning Commission--that of electing
a vice-chairman. Mr. Whit suggested that each member receive a copy of the last
minutes preceeding each meeting. It was agreed that 12 copies would be sent to members
plus one copy to Mr. Dunaway. Several items in the b,,'laws were discussed--Garrish
moved that the bylaws be approved, whit 2nd--mtn passed.
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Garrish suggested that the regulation of off-street parking be coordinated by City
and County to avoid "across the street" differences. Whit suggested that the existing
setback ordinance could be improved, Garrish sug,.ested that a hearing be held to amend
the ordinance on setback.
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A discussion followed regarding the improvements needed within
the Sanitation District to provide adequate facilities for the
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growth of Aspen--Benedict cited the ~ '/sewer line used by a
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trailer court as inadequate. Humphrey suggested the Planning
Commission refer the matter to the City Council.
Benedict sm>;gested the Planninss Commission contacj- the Eagle County
Planning Commission in regard to sign control in the Frving Pan
Dam Area.
A discussion regarding would-be zonin~ violations extended into
Colorado's Primative Area were allowed by the Department of Forestry.
Caudill stated that a district ranger may move a Primative Area Boundry
without a public hearing--he suggested that the Planning Commission find
out about the Department's future plans. Garrish pointed out that when
Aspen's surrounding area is destroyed, the entire area is ruined.
Walls suggested that Benedict extend a formal invitation to the
State and Local Forestry Rangers, Taylor and Howell, to attend the
next joint meeting of the Planning and Zoning Commissions.
Walls -move adjourn
Whit -2nd
/meeting adjourned 10:15