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HomeMy WebLinkAboutminutes.council.20101122 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 CITIZEN PARTICIPATION 2 COUNCILMEMBER COMMENTS 2 CONSENT CALENDAR 3 ❑ Minutes — November 8, 2010 3 ❑ Resolution #93, 2010- IGA Pitkin County for compost grinder 3 RESOLUTION #94, 2010 — EOTC '/z Transit Sales and Use Tax Budget 3 ORDINANCE #29, SERIES OF 2010 — 2011 Fees 5 ORDINANCE #30, SERIES OF 2010 — Supplemental Appropriation 5 ORDINANCE #31, SERIES OF 2010 — Lodging Tax 5 ORDINANCE #26, SERIES OF 2010 — 630 E. Hyman Ordinance #48 Negotiation 6 RESOLUTION #96, SERIES OF 2010 — Adopting the 2011 Budget 6 RESOLUTION #95, SERIES OF 2010 - Adopting the 2011 Mil Levy 8 ORDINANCE #28, SERIES OF 2010 — Revised Historic Preservation Aspen Modern 9 1 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 Mayor Ireland called the meeting to order at 5:08 PM with Councilmembers Torre, Romero, Johnson, and Skadron present. CITIZEN PARTICIPATION 1. Emzy Veazy said the city should enforce the cleaning of sidewalk ordinance. The city should take care of the streets better; gravel does not work. The bus routes should be cleared and cleaned. Also the city should have an ordinance that requires people to take care of their Lawns. 2. Mike Maple said it is impossible to get to the hospital from town by bicycle because the bike path has not been cleared of snow. Maple said when the city is encouraging travel other than by car; it should be made easier to get to places from the downtown. Council noted that trails were to be usable by pedestrians, bicyclists and Nordic skiers, where applicable. Council directed staff to have the parks department report back on the trails and plowing in this area. 3. Jim Markalunas said the cross town shuttle does not operate until December 11` and there is no way for people in the west end to get into town. Markalunas requested the city either start the cross town shuttle early or reroute the Cemetery Lane bus to go through the west end. Randy Ready, assistant city manager, told Council staff has looked at re- routing the Cemetery Lane bus several times. This has met with objection from the Cemetery Lane riders who feel the Main street pick up and drop off is more convenient than being routed through the west end. John Kruger, transportation director, reminded Council when the budget reductions were necessary, the cross town shuttle was cut back because of lack of money and ridership. 4. Toni Kronberg requested Resolution #94 EOTC '/z Cent Transit Sales and Use Tax Budget be pulled from the consent calendar. COUNCII.MEMBER COMMENTS 1. Councilman Johnson congratulated the Aspen High School Skiers' for their great football season. 2. Councilman Johnson noted skiing starts this week and Happy Thanksgiving to all. 3. Councilman Romero said there was a great turn out and a great performance by the high school football team both of which have had an energizing effect on the other athletic programs at the high school. 4. Councilman Romero brought up parking at the high school campus and along Maroon Creek road. Councilman Romero requested the city re -visit the parking policy and how it is 2 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 enforced along the road, at the ARC and at the high school. Councilman Romero said it is not very welcoming to guests who attend events at the campus to be ticketed. Councilman Romero suggested better coordination between the jurisdictions on events held at the campus. Mayor Ireland agreed there needs to be better way to schedule events. Mayor Ireland said parking on Maroon Creek road is dangerous. Council agreed to schedule a work session including information on how many vehicles are being ticketed, event scheduling, and education. 5. Councilman Torre thanked the coaching staff and the players for giving the community the gift of payoffs at home. Councilman Torre noted his sign reads "Go Skiers" and can easily be changed into "Go Skiing ". 6. Mayor Ireland said he would like proclamations for the high school football players; two playoff games at home is extremely cool. 7. Mayor Ireland stated November is " Movember "— mustache month to remind everyone that prostrate cancer checks ups are very important. 8. Councilman Romero reported the Aspen Fire Protection District board met to take action on the subcontractors who were not paid for work on the new fire station. Councilman Romero said the fire district paid 80% of the outstanding balances and is proceeding with action against the general contractor. Councilman Romero said the District Board is working on their 2011 budget and forecasts a possible mil levy credit. CONSFNT CALENDAR Councilman Torre moved to approve the consent calendar as amended: seconded by Councilman Johnson. The consent calendar is: • Minutes - November 8. 2010 • Resolution 1 193. 2010- 1(A Pitkin County for compost grinder All in favor, motion carried. RESOLUTION #94, 2010 — EOTC '/A Transit Sales and Use Tax Budget Randy Ready, assistant city manager, told Council there was a complaint about the number of traffic signs along Main street. Ready said staff took the many signs along each block and consolidated them and also removed one large sign per block. Mayor Ireland said at the last EOTC meeting, there was a resolution to tap into the accumulated fund balance for the entrance to Aspen. The county wanted to spend $200,000 to study a grade 3 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 separated solution at the Airport Business Center. Mayor Ireland proposed a compromise to allow the monies to be borrowed against the future discretionary revenue rather than an outright grant. Mayor Ireland said the city should hold firm on one of the original purposes for the creation of this sales tax, the entrance to Aspen. This sales tax was not for free buses in Snowmass or over /under passes. The community voted for the money for the entrance to Aspen. Mayor Ireland said the city has contributed a lot of money to the EOTC and there should be some protection or assurance that the money is being set aside for the Entrance to Aspen when the voters decide what that is. Councilman Skadron said his questions are how is the entrance to Aspen defined and is the use of funds for a grade separated solution at the ABC legal. John Krueger, transportation director, told Council the county attorney opined that use of these funds for design and engineering of a grade separated solution would not be inappropriate. Krueger told Council in the record of decision and the EIS, the entrance to Aspen begins at Buttermilk. Elected officials suggest the ABC might be the new entrance. Mayor Ireland pointed out there is not enough money in the discretionary funds to put $250,000 towards the grade separated project. Mayor Ireland said using discretionary funds will affect all jurisdictions equally rather than using entrance to Aspen funds. Krueger pointed out this project was not presented as an Entrance to Aspen project but as a safety project. Krueger suggested this be an intrafund loan with a 5 year payback, which would keep the policy of dedicating 2/3 of the fund for the Entrance to Aspen. Mayor Ireland said safety improvements at 8 and Highway 82 could fall into the same category. Toni Kronberg told Council she will be working on a petition that is legislative regarding the aerial transportation system from Rubey Park to Buttermilk to Highlands for the 2011 election; this will be a new public policy for transportation. Ms. Kronberg requested funds to bring the gondola up to a technical analysis for the electorate's information. Councilman Skadron asked if this should be considered more comprehensively. The Skiing Company is working on redevelopment at Buttermilk; the city may have plans for BMC West and the realignment of that intersection. Councilman Skadron said he does not want to spend $250,000 on this and then money to build it only to have the intersections realigned. Krueger said the goal is to have a project designed and "shovel ready" if and when funding opportunities arise. This may also answer the question where is the best location for a grade separated intersection. Councilman Torre moved to approve Resolution #94, Series of 2010, on the condition there be a 5 year term of $50,000 per year pay back of the $250,000 from the EOTC discretionary funds and subject to future appropriations of all 3 jurisdictions; seconded by Mayor Ireland. All in favor, motion carried. 4 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 ORDINANCE #29. SERIES OF 2010 — 2011 Fees ORDINANCE #30. SERIES OF 2010 — Supplemental Appropriation ORDINANCE #31. SERIES OF 2010 — Lodging Tax Councilman Torre moved to read Ordinances #29, 30, and 31, Series of 2010; seconded by Councilman Romero. All in favor motion carried. ORDINANCE NO. 29 Series of 2010 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ASPEN, COLORADO, AMENDING THE MUNICIPAL CODE OF THE CITY OF ASPEN TO INCREASE CERTAIN MUNICIPAL FEES ORDINANCE NO. 30 (Series of 2010) AN ORDINANCE APPROPRIATING AN INCREASE IN THE GENERAL FUND OF $13,000, AN INCREASE IN THE EARLY CHILDHOOD EDUCATION FUND OF $33,000, AN INCREASE IN THE ELECTRIC UTILITY FUND OF $59,200 AND AN INCREASE IN THE EMPLOYEE HOUSING FUND OF $529,390. ORDINANCE NO. 31 Series of 2010 AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF ASPEN, COLORADO, AMENDING CHAPTER 23.50 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE OF THE CITY OF ASPEN TO IMPOSE AN ADDITIONAL 1.0% VISITOR BENEFIT AND PROMOTIONS TAX. Councilman Skadron said there are some points of comparisons missing on what the fee increases actually are. Councilman Skadron said he would like more information about the community development fees at second reading. Don Taylor, finance director, reminded Council these fees are looked at annually to make sure they are current with the cost structure and subsidies. Councilman Romero agreed he would like to see a percentage analysis as well as absolute for the proposed increases. Councilman Romero said he would also like a manager's assessment of what was done in 2010 as relates to fees, what were their pluses and minuses of those actions. Councilman Romero said he would like more background so he can look at the tough economy and these fee increases. Taylor told Council the community development fees have not been increased in 5 years. The other fee increases are relatively minor. 5 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 Councilman Johnson said he, too, would like a side by side comparison and would like to look at if the city is competitive with other resorts and within the valley. Councilman Johnson asked if the child care fee is needed. Mayor Ireland said he would like to know from community development the extent to which the current fee structure creates a shortfall in their department. Mayor Ireland noted the principle has been that development should pay for itself. When the city lowers fees or subsidizes project, Council should know how that is going to be paid for. Mayor Ireland said it appears the building fees are regressive, the less one builds, the more it costs. Mayor Ireland said that fee structure seems to shift the burden to someone building a deck or adding a small extension. Councilman Romero said he thought the philosophy of "development paying its way ", was for large projects. Councilman Romero said there is an assumption that people pay into the general funds, which affords some level of support. Councilman Romero said he would like to look at the fees for small projects. Councilman Romero said the community development department does not have to pay its own way 100% and it should be acceptable there is some support from the general fund. Councilman Torre moved to adopt Ordinance #29, Series of 2010, on first reading; seconded by Councilman Johnson. Roll call vote; Councilmembers Romero, yes; Skadron, yes; Johnson, yes; Torre, yes; Mayor Ireland, yes. Motion carried. Mayor Ireland moved to adopt Ordinance #30, Series of 2010, on first reading; seconded by Councilman Johnson. Roll call vote; Councilmembers Skadron, yes; Romero, yes; Torre, yes; Johnson, yes; Mayor Ireland, yes. Motion carried. Mayor Ireland moved to adopt Ordinance #31, Series of 2010, on first reading; seconded by Councilman Johnson. Roll call vote; Councilmembers Johnson, yes; Torre, yes; Skadron, yes; Romero, yes; Mayor Ireland, yes. Motion carried. ORDINANCE #26, SERIES OF 2010 -- 630 E. Hyman Ordinance #48 Negotiation Mayor Ireland opened the public hearing. Councilman Romero moved to continue Ordinance #26, Series of 2010, to December 6, 2010; seconded by Councilman Torre. All in favor, motion carried. RESOLUTION #96, SERIES OF 2010 — Adopting the 2011 Budget Don Taylor, finance director, noted Council and staff had 4 work sessions reviewing the 2011 budget; the proposed revenues are projected for a 2% increase in 2011 and the appropriations 6 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 are 8% below those in the 2010 budget. Taylor said the general fund and AMP are 41% of the total budget with operating expenditures of $47 million. The difference between the total $85 million budget are capital budget and debt service. Taylor said all departments have a target within which they must bring their budget and then they are allowed to request a supplemental budget that could not be accommodated within that target. Mayor Ireland asked if the city has repurchased any foreclosure units. Taylor said one was purchased recently and it will be sold on the lottery. There will be offsetting revenue. Mayor Ireland said he would to know what steps the city is taking to try and work out these issues with the residents to try and get them back into the unit. Councilman Johnson asked if the mining for ideas money is in the 2011 budget. Taylor said it is not. Barry Crook, assistant city manager, suggested if Council wants to have this program in 2011, they can put in a budget request in the first 2011 supplemental appropriation. Councilman Johnson said Council allocated $200,000 for this program in 2010 and about $107,000 was spent. Councilman Johnson said ACRA will carry on some of these events and he would like to add $100,000 for the program to see if good new ideas come out of this. Councilman Romero said he likes the signal to the community of the commitment of $100,000 towards new events. Councilman Skadron said he is not clear enough about this program to add $100,000 to the budget. Crook reminded Council there was a work session recently about the Mining for Ideas program and the conclusion was the goals set for the program were met. Staff provided Council with an economic benefit and with occupancy numbers. Councilman Johnson said including $100,000 in the budget or adding it as a supplemental will allow staff to call for more ideas from the community to review and to present to Council; this does not commit to any spending. Mayor Ireland said the original idea was to try this for a couple of years. Councilman Skadron said he is concerned about this program becoming a line item in perpetuity. Mayor Ireland said there were some groups that did not get their ideas funded or completed and Council suggested they come back for 2011 funding. Councilman Skadron said Mining for Ideas was the city's response to a slowing economy and the 2011 budget projects sales tax revenues to increase 3 %; there is a feeling of reserve optimism. Councilman Skadron said the city should be thorough in steps using public money to continue to help drive these programs. Councilman Johnson said this would be giving direction to start the process over again and not committing money into the budget but suggesting Council will consider it as a supplemental. Any spending recommended by the committee would come back to Council. Councilman Torre stated he did not support a $100,000 line item but does support reconvening Mining for Ideas committee. Councilman Torre pointed out there is about $175,000 requests added to the budget for Wheeler and special events and the added lodging tax, which will help ACRA fund special events, that is a strong signal that events are being supported. Councilman Johnson said he is not requesting an addition to the budget but a signal to staff to reconvene Mining for Ideas. Mayor Ireland agreed he does not want to kill the Mining for Ideas. 7 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 Ashley Ernemann, finance department, noted the capital budget is proposed at $13.8 million about ''A of which is the utility fund; '/ of which is the AMP; 1/4 is between Wheeler and Parks and ''A is all the other funds. This budget is about 10% below last year's budget. Ms. Ernemann noted the largest project is the basement and renovation of the Wheeler at $2 million and the next is the field turf project to be done by the parks department. Councilman Skadron asked the status of the Wheeler renovation project. Ms. Ernemann said Council has approved a design contract but there is no contract for the actual work. Staff will present detail plans for the turf project before it starts. Councilman Skadron said Council has not given direction to proceed with the turf project. Randy Ready, assistant city manager, said the only direction was to include the project in the budget. Council will see contracts before anything goes forward. RESOLUTION #95, SERIES OF 2010 - Adopting the 2011 Mil Levy Don Taylor, Finance Director, said each year the city sets a mil levy to raise property taxes; the proposed the mil levy for 2011 is 3.854 mils, a portion of which goes to the general fund and asset management of 3.286 mils; storm water fund .527 mils. This will raise about $6.5 million for 2011. In 2010 the property tax rate was 4.042 mils; the decline is attributable to the lapse of the voter approved increase to raise funds for capital projects. Those projects are completed and that increment has gone away. Taylor said when the property is re- valued, there could be up to a 42% decline in assessed valuation; however, the city's will be less than that. Mayor Ireland opened the public hearing. Mike Maple thanked the city for holding the property tax collections steady. Maple said he appreciates that the city has not participated in the windfall from increased valuations. Maple said in the future, the property tax should be going down, not holding steady. Maple said the city might have one of the highest budgets per capita. The city provides great services; however, Maple said there is not a single city service that could not be cut. The city could spend less money on parking, on the police, on water and utilities across the board. Maple said another concern is the Wheeler; the operating deficit in 2008 was $2.1 million and the attendance was such that the average subsidy /performance was $99 /attendee. Maple said the 2010 budget looks like the expenditures will be $3.6 million. Maple said he hopes the subsidy per attendee is going down. Maple said it is wonderful to have a facility with programs like the Wheeler. There should be better programs, better marketing in order to get more people at the Wheeler. Mayor Ireland closed the public hearing. Councilman Skadron moved to approve Resolution #96, Series of 2010, adopting the 2011 budget; seconded by Councilman Romero. Mayor Ireland agreed he would like to know more about the Wheeler. 8 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 All in favor, motion carried. Councilman Skadron moved to adopt Resolution #95, Series of 2010; seconded by Councilman Johnson. All in favor, motion carried. ORDINANCE #28, SERIES OF 2010— Revised Eistoric Preservation Aspen Modern Amy Guthrie, community development department, said this ordinance is to replace Ordinance #48. There have been discussions on voluntary versus involuntary designation; however, there are other issues staff would like direction on. Ms. Guthrie said noted the memorandum has background on historic designations and how this program evolved; it also details the public outreach to this point. Ms. Guthrie said the city sent out letters to every property owner that might be affected by this ordinance, about 560 letters. Ms. Guthrie told Council she has started to contact people personally to see if they want more information or more discussion. The first issue is how to identify the potential historic resources and how this will be communicated to the public. Ms. Guthrie reminded Council Ordinance #48 has 53 identified specific properties. Ms. Guthrie said some ideas are to include multi - family, to encompass more of town, to conduct a new survey about modern structures, or having no map or list. Ms. Guthrie stated staff is proposing a voluntary program and that property owners who do not want to participate may get out easily. Ms. Guthrie said the map of historic properties is important to communicate those properties that may be eligible. The map is evolving and should not be considered burdensome. Ms. Guthrie said if there is no list, people may think the city is not forthcoming. Ms. Guthrie recommended those properties identified during Ordinance #30 review, 87 properties, that were on the list prior to the adoption of Ordinance #48. Mayor Ireland said he would prefer sticking with the 53 properties identified and contacting people to see if they want to be on the list. Mayor Ireland said he would be willing to meet with any property owners that may want to be added to the list or may be interested in getting off the list. Ms. Guthrie said the historic property map will illustrate where and if the historic properties are concentrated; how town develop, helping neighbors understand which properties could be eligible for designation. Mayor Ireland favored the idea that property owners could be invited and if they accept, they are on the list. Councilman Romero said he considered no map as consistent with the voluntary program and to ease anxieties caused by lack of clarity. Councilman Romero said he can support a list as long as the city sends a signal that this is voluntary and the city is willing to explain the benefits to property owners. Architecture Styles - Ms. Guthrie reminded Council staff had a work session in October with them to discuss this topic; it is not only architecture but places and people of significance. Staff would like to know if they have provided Council with enough information that there are examples of each of the styles, modern Bauhaus, Wrightian, modern chalet, Swiss chalet, rustic, 9 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 pan abode. Staff feels there is adequate documentation that these styles were common and influential styles of architecture in Aspen in the 40's through the 70's. Councilman Romero stated in the context of a voluntary program, he can support including all architectural styles. The cases have been made that these styles had impact on Aspen. Councilman Johnson agreed that the program being voluntary makes him more comfortable with inclusion the architectural style. Aspen Meadows Campus Ms. Guthrie told Council staff has received a proposal from the groups that make up the Aspen Meadows campus that they would like to amend their SPA and come up with a process to replace all the multiple steps they go through whenever they want to do something on their campus. Councilman Romero agreed with this recommendation and the process that has been described. Ms. Guthrie said this proposed amendment needs to go through P &Z and Council; it cannot be approved as part of this ordinance. Amy Margerum, Aspen Institute, told Council their property is covered by 3 things and they propose 1 and they would like to deal with the Aspen Meadows under the SPA, specially planned area, for that property and simplify it to have simple projects approved by the community development director. Larger project would go through Council review but without the necessity for 2 P &Z, 2 HPC and 2 Council public hearings. Ms. Margerum stated they are not opposed to review but would it to be efficient and to focus on the issue, not the process. Ms. Margerum said the campus would like to be exempt from Ordinance #48 and exempt from Ordinance #5 and require everything to go through the master planning process. Alan Fletcher, Aspen Music Festival, agreed. Council also agreed to have a different process for the Aspen Meadows Campus. Good, Better and Best — There are recommendations from the task force about which are the best of each styles, the purpose of which is to inform Council when they are considering incentives for voluntary preservation. Ms. Guthrie said the options are determining which structures fit good, better or best or just treating all properties equally. Mayor Ireland said Council directed staff to develop guidelines on which structures are noteworthy so that they are offered the most of incentives. Ms. Guthrie reminded Council the original purpose of the scoring system was to determine whether properties scored past a certain threshold. This classification system will require that buildings and their scores are broken into more detail. The scoring system will need to be improved. Negotiations - Ms. Guthrie pointed out the ordinance preserves the negotiation process and staff would like confirmation this is what Council wants. Applicants will have to demonstrate, if they are asking for special benefits, why these are deserved. Council agreed they want some structure around this so it is not completely open ended. Councilman Romero asked if the timeline has been made more user friendly. Ms. Guthrie said the ordinance would allow a shorter time frame. Ms. Guthrie said some of the items staff has discussed are reduced permit fees, expedited permitting and maybe TDRs or Council could decide there are no benefits before designation. Council indicated they favored #2 offering benefits to non - designated Aspen Modern properties. 10 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 Removal from Aspen Modern Map — Ms. Guthrie reminded Council currently if a property owner wants to be removed from the list, they have to take out a demolition permit. Staff suggested a property owner could appeal to Council that they do not meet the designation criteria. Ms. Guthrie said staff recommendation now is that a property owner would meet with the community development director and be removed from the Aspen Modern map. Ms. Guthrie noted a property owner could not be added back to the list until the next update unless they request it. The city cannot add a property to the list; a property owner can ask to be added to the list. Removal from the map — Ms Guthrie reminded Council they requested the process for a property owner to be removed from the map to be simplified. Staff suggests that a property owner may submit a written request, meet with staff, after which they may be removed from the list. Mayor Ireland suggested a written document that can be recorded stating this property is not on the list and will not be on the list without written request of the property owner. Ms. Guthrie said the scoring sheets will need to be changed. Council suggested the HPC review and comment on the scoring sheets. Council agreed staff should continue to research new incentives. Councilman Torre said he would like to continue to move towards a comprehensive plan and the city should be identifying what they want to say with the program. Councilman Torre said he would like to see a the city create a book which continues the story of historic preservation and gives honor to the properties that are designated. This historic program is not worth anything unless it is being told and utilized for education and information. Mayor Ireland agreed and suggested there could be a website for properties included in the program. Mayor Ireland opened the public hearing. Mike Maple said his overwhelming concern was the 10 year vesting and Council's direction about that is appropriate. Maple said a map does not seem most helpful. A list is more useful. Maple noted P &Z's comment about making sure there is equity in benefits awarded to properties. Maple said the task force recommended Council have tracking and a record of what incentives are being offered; this should not be just applicable to Aspen Modern but should also apply to Victorian. Maple brought up the 90 days and the expedited process and the ordinance should have some language suggesting that expedited process. Mayor Ireland said it should be clear that if a property owner wants off the list, they sign a statement saying they are off. Maple said if a property owner is interested in some of the incentives and they want to participate in the negotiation, there should be clear direction in the ordinance that it will be processed expeditiously. Maple brought up identification of historic properties, and exceptions to alterations, versus items that require a major development permit and concern that there is not a bright line between what is merely painting to a major development that cannot be done without a permit. Maple said if someone wants to replace a railing, which is a character defining element, how does one know 11 Regular Meeting Aspen City Council November 22, 2010 what is character defining and what does not need approval. When one is on this list, there are limitations on what can be done to a structure. Maple said this needs some refinement to make sure people do not do things to their structures that are not allowed. Councilman Romero said if there is language that would capture allowing home maintenance, energy improvements, that should be added. Mayor Ireland said there should be some minimum standards for people who want to stay on the list and homeowners know what they can and cannot do to their structures. Maple agreed with continued exploration of incentives and ways to fund them, including the tracking of TDRs and when they are transferred. Council agreed these should be recorded instruments. Chip Freeman requested more clarity about being removed from the Aspen Modern Map and how that happens. Jack Wilke said he will be making a request to be off the list. Wilke said there are only 5 lines in a 41 page document about how to get off the list and he is afraid of unintended consequences in these pages. Wilke said on things to go before HPC, immediate neighbors are not consulted and he would like to see neighbors taken into consideration. Marcia Cook, HP Task Force, said it is important to task force members that this be a successful program. Ms. Cook volunteered to work to make sure the voluntary program is successful and those properties that are significant to the community should be preserved. Ms. Cook said a book about these properties to go after the educational element and the honor about being a designated property would be an important element. Bill Stirling said a pure voluntary program should have no map or list. Stirling said this ordinance is a hybrid voluntary program. Aspen has a wealth of landmarked Victorians and has many built important post WWII buildings. Stirling agreed with a book or document to memorialize or to inspire and to educate about the program. Stirling said he would prefer Council adopt #2 which includes 87 properties, not just the 53 properties on Ordinance #48. Stirling said the larger number would be better given the ease with which one can get off the list. Stirling said real and measurable incentives and perhaps even owner- suggested incentives should be part of the program. Stirling told Council the task force proposed an array of incentives that they feel will make the program work. Stirling said he would like to see this program be the best it can be. Ms. Guthrie reminded Council the list and the criteria define what properties are important and if something is unanticipated, there is a wild card. Ms. Cook suggested Council look at this as a "guest list" and invite property owners to participate and also tell these property owners if they want to stay on the list, there are things they need to adhere to. Mayor Ireland moved to continue Ordinance #28, Series of 2010, to December 6, 2010; seconded by Councilman Skadron. All in favor, motion carried. Councilman Johnson moved to adjourn at 8:25 PM; seconded by Councilman Torre. All in favor, motion carried. 12