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MINUTES OF AUGUST 1~ 2001
Jon Busch called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m. Commissioners in
attendance were Bill Dinsmoor, Jon Busch, Eric Cohen, John Starr and
Terry Butler were present.
Janice Voss updated the board on problems on the mall; bike riding on the
mall and the mall bathrooms will be serviced more.
FARMERS MARKET
Jeanette Whitcomb, Environmental Health Dept.
Jeanette said this is the last summer for farmers market vending agreement.
It is the fourth season of the market. The market was set up to sell primarily
Colorado grown produce. In the second year they expanded and sold items
that were not produce. Since then the association members keep requesting
to expand. Some of these items include soap, brooms bird houses etc.
The issues that we are seeing should it be expanded to a small fair with food
prepared on site, crafts or should it just be produce or somewhere in
between. Another issue is what about competition with local businesses.
Should the association be able to decide who gets in or should anyone be
able To have a booth such as a retailer. Who should decide and how. They
are planning a work session with council in October.
Eric asked what staff felt about all the questions as to who should be let in.
Jeane~e said it is really not our decision and they will go to council to see
what they want. Council will give them direction as far as where to go
before changing the vending agreement or keeping the vending agreement.
Staff needs council to answer some of the questions.
Eric asked for a list of items that will be brought up.
John Start said he feels the CCLC has a better sense of the ~ssues than
council would. John said there is a feeling about disquiet here and among
others about the way the process has worked in the past. We definitely want
to be part of the process and see more transparency. CCLC would like to be
at the work session.
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Jeanette said staff will present the issues and council will ask questions etc.
There will be a chance for the public to comment.
John said there is a sense in the community that this is a closed shop. There
are issues of competition.
Jeanette said she goes every weekend as she is the food program manager
and there are places that need inspected. They have a good feel of what is
going on. Any new vendor will have to meet the criteria set up by
Environmental Health.
Jon said we should hold a public hearing before going to the work session
with council to see what the businesses have in mind. He also has concerns
about the closed shop. The blanket agency has to be insured. We do not
have in mind for the committee to make it a profit venture.
Bill said the CCLC needs to digest the issues and concerns before they go to
a work session with council. Bill said maybe this isn't the proper location
and possibly should be outside of town some weekend. All components of
the farmers market need reviewed.
Terry has gone every Saturday and she sends her residents over. She used to
go to the Santa Monica fair a lot and it was extremely diverse. There is a
lack of people in our downtown. People that come to the farmers market
filter out into other shops. It is a good gathering place in the community. If
we leave it open to the people in the local community to put their flowers out
then they are not being excluded, Any ploy to encourage business in the
downtown area is good. She feels the farmers market should be bigger.
Lee said ACRA will be doing a survey in Sept, in order to see what concerns
the businesses have and how they feel about the farmers market.
John suggested Jeanette call Boulder regarding their market.
Jon suggested calling Portland Oregon regarding their market that has been
going on for 20 years.
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John suggested we invite the Farmers Market committee to the next meethg
to discuss their concerns. We need to hear the association's views.
Eric requested the budget from the association. Eric also said we should
have the ACRA involved.
ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT
Jeep said he heard the CCLC is putting the music students under one license
and the rest of us have to pay. Jeep said he has a civil rights attorney and he
doesn't agree with the concept.
Jeep said he understands that there is some kind of licensing proposed.
He said he gives people a lot of pleasure and it doesn't cost them a dime and
they don't spend a dime. He can't see where that is a business.
John Starr asked if he was suggesting that he is a non-profit organization and
Jeep said he isn't an organization at all.
Chief Deputy Clerk, Kathy Strickland said business licenses are $150. This
license fee proposed would be the same fee for direct or indirect
compensation on public property.
Jeep said he is going to walk around playing his banjo until they throw him
in jail.
John said this license is about the community in generally, not Jeep.
Jeep said he performed here 18 straight years. He ~s against the street
performers having a license. He hated getting up to come here. Sometimes
he doesn't work.
John requested staffto contact the city legal department in order to
determine if a blanket license is possible.
Jon said our goal is to encourage musicians performing on the mall. What
do we hope to accomplish with the license agreement if it stops us from
having street performances.
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Terry said if unintentionally we keep performers from coming out our way,
that is not what we want.
Staff said this ordinance also addresses health and safety issues. Do we
want to allow the use of fire and high apparatuses?
Jeep said you only have six weeks.of business here in this town. He comes
here in June and usually only works on Saturdays. He talked to his attorney
and you can't charge any more than what it costs to process the license.
Staff reiterated that the cost of a business license is $15). Special events can
run from $150. to $500. Per day depending on the crowd.
Jeep said each performer has to have liability insurance in Key West. In
Australia someone had used fire and a woman got caught on fire. In the
states you have to have insurance and a fire extinguisher.
John said Jeep mentioned a blanket license for the music students and is that
appropriate.
Jeep said the fee is outrageous and you can make money for only six weeks.
Staff said we have had requests for performers doing fire and is that
appropriate on the mall and what are the consequences.
Jeep said he would like Aspen to be the center for the international busters
fest.
Bill said the someone comes to perform and is doing something that raises
the public safety issue than that is one of the reasons to have this process in
place. Eliminate the opportunity for something inappropriate to happen on
the city streets.
Jeep said if you charge a license he is going to play his guitar and get put in
jail. He has no objection about having insurance for protection. He doesn't
like to work everyday.
Bill said how does someone know that the things they are using are safe and
the animals are safe unless they present it to someone to scrutinize it.
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George Vicenzi said every one who has a business pays for a business
licenses whether you make money or you don't make money. These
performers block the mall and they set up well two hours before and you
can't get through. This is not an onerous fee.
Jori asked staff to look into the issue of soliciting money.
Jeep has no objection filling out a license but does not want to have to pay a
fee.
George said he has observed street performers actually soliciting and making
comments and making them feel guilty. This should not be allowed and in
the license process it should be clear that this isn't allowed. This
commission should monitor the performer and if soliciting occurs they
should not be allowed to perform in town.
Jeep said he does the deaf and blind school and the Wildwood school.
He gives the balloons to the kids free. He said ifI have a business license
then I can charge anything I want.
John said then you have another ordinance that is violated because you
cannot run a business on the mall in the sense of selling things.
Jon said anyone who stays more than a week has to pay the license fee.
Staffwas directed to look into what is direct or indirect soliciting. What
about the music students being permitted. What about is the relationship of
a business license/vending license?
George said there should be no animal acts; the dog is shaking on the ladder.
Is this humane or not humane?
Eric said people could leave anytime they want too.
Bill said he doesn't disagree with George's comments. He also said we
need to look at the time frame for performing.
Jon said it is hard to control what is humane or inhumane.
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NEWSPAPER RACK ORDINANCE
Ed Sadler, assistant city manager said the ordinance is not an issue we just
need to flush out some of the issues so we have the information for city
council. Ed also stated that there are oxqerlapping departments.
The board discussed the enforcement department and it was determined that
it should be the CCLC in conjunction with the Engineering Dept. regarding
the review process not community development. Reviews should be done
once a year by CCLC. CCLC would look at the placement area of the racks
and Engineering who handles right-of-way issues etc. would review it also.
Jon said it will not be an onerous issue on where the news racks would go.
Ed said it mentions keeping the racks in shape and those are issues as to
what extend and what expectations does the CCLC want. Do we do this
once a year etc?
John said it will be your normal enforcement, driven by complaint. Once a
year CCLC will walk around and look at the racks. The newspaper vendors
are very organized.
Bill said the big issue is going to be the 13th newspaper in a 12-newspaper
rack.
Ed said the second issues is that the ordinance gives the newspapers a year
to come into compliance and as he thought through this and it took 7 months
for DEPP's boxes to get delivered. Who is responsible for ordering the
pedestal and install them. You are looking at talking out a piece of the
sidewalk, pouring a slab, and putting rock bolts in it and then pouring the
sidewalk over the top. Kathy said it was the intention for the city to pay for
the pedestals and the newspapers would pay for the boxes. You need to give
council some amount of the cost.
John said on the surrounds CCLC feels they can get them made cheaper due
to the number of surrounds. The city should pay for the surrounds and the
pedestals and preparation for the pedestals. Part of that money can come
out of the CCLC budget.
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Ed said the dates should be changed and gave the time frame to have the
newspapers install their boxes after the pedestals are installed. They will
need a certain amount of time to change out the old boxes to ours. You are
looking at either getting council to do a supplemental appropriation right
now or including it in the 2002 budget. Ed said you couldn't get a
contractor for the pedestals until June and then the sidewalks would need to
be tom up etc. He would give them a lead-time from January after the
pedestal is installed.
Ed asked about the position in the boxes.
John said it will be first come first serve in the slots.
The 12 pack newsracks will be addressed first.
Staff will look into a corral that is pre-made but similar to the existing corral
on the DEPP project.
Bill said the effect of the corrals is everything that we had hoped they would
do.
Ed said the cost for the DEPP pads and newsracks was $15,000 each. That
does not include the corral.
Staff said we can use the contingency from this year for the preparation of
the sites and next year budget for the rest. Possibly we could the bases and
racks and at another time do the corrals.
Ed said we need to get the budget by Sept. 15th. Ed said maybe you should
approach this over a three-year time frame.
Bill said the pedestal before the enclosure is a good idea because we do not
have a design or cost estimate:
Ed said the 12 packs are double sixes so that would be four pedestals.
The board discussed Phase II of the DEPP project.
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Bill said there is unanimous support to go forward with the next phase of the
DEPP project.
Motion: Bill moved to hereby have DEPP re-incarnated to discuss Phase
II. Motion second by Terry. All in favor, motion carried. Yes vote: ,[on,
Bill, Terry, John.
Jon said Phase II needs explored. The original was Hyman to Cooper on
Galena and Cooper over to Hunter. That is the major pedestrian way
currently. Jori said when we get to Galena it requires advance planning due
to the old sewer line in Galena.
John asked if the board is in support of the outside theatre and he will begin
talking to the City. The board unanimously supported the theatre concept.
Charles Kennedy will be helping with the project.
CLUB CHELSEA - MALL LEASE
Todd Grottstein from Chenoa, a realestate company was present to express
his concerns about the proposed outside seating.
Staff informed the board that they invited Anthony from Club Chelsea to the
meeting and there were no representatives at this meeting to discuss
alternatives.
Todd said he has concerns about the way Club Chelsea went about the
process. They did not approach the management of his company to discuss
the outside seating. Todd invited Club Chelsea several times to discuss the
matter but no one attended. His concern is that his view from his window is
lost.
Terry also felt this should not be discussed without representation of Club
Chelsea.
MOTION: Bill moved to not recommend approval of Cl~tb Chelsea outside
seating; second by Jon. Yes vote: Bill, ~ohn, ?on Terry abstained.
Todd said he would like to get move involved in the process for next year if
this issue comes up again.
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Terry requested more doggie bags for the mall area. Staffwill forward the
information to the Parks Dept.
MOTION: Bill moved to adjourn; second by Yon..4ll in_favor, motion
carried.
Meeting adjourned at 11:30 a.m.
Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk