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MINUTES OF SEPTEMBER 10, 2001
Chairperson Jon Busch called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m.
Commissioners present were Bill Dinsmoor, Terry Butler, Andrew Kole and
Jon Busch. Eric Cohen and $ohn Start were excused.
FARMERS MARKET
Jon said the ACRA survey is illuminating and we are on the right track.
The survey indicates that there is a need for diverse products sold.
Jori said he wants a level of assurance regarding the rules and regulations.
If someone is turned down maybe there is a way of appealing that decision
through the CCLC.
Jack D'Orio said in the past people were turned down because they didn't
meet the vending agreement. They are turned down by the majority of the
board. Such items as coffee, pasta people, nuts, flower arrangements etc.
were turned down. If there is expansion he feels all the booths would be
filled. The farmers market needs diversity. Over the period of four years
8eight to ten people have been turned down. Jack also said dried fruits have
done well in markets and they would like to sell them.
Terry said Estes Park had the best festival she has ever seen. All the food
was prepared there. Terry feels we need energy etc. in this town. We need
to move forward with positive plans to make the farmers market bigger and
better.
Jack said he envisioned two locals and two city people added to the AFM
board in determining who gets in.
Chris Bendon, planner said what he sees out of the ACRA survey and how
the board feels is that people want to see vibrant, interesting things in the
farmers market. The other issue that the board is struggling with is do you
want to see this as a little slice of American enterprise where you see
competition and supply and demand, all the enterprise play out. The two
issues do not necessarily coincide. If you are looking at enterprise such as
having four corn vendors where one piece of corn is worth .90 and the other
$1.20 and you gravitate to the one that costs .90, that might be satisfying in
seeing supply and demand. The board needs to determine what they want.
The CCLC also needs to trust the farmers markets association in making
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their decisions. They are also looking for diversity. Do you want this to be
about diversity or a slice of American enterprises? There is also the idea
from the board to have a rotating co-up booth.
Andrew said he talked to numerous businesses in town and the majority
would participate in the market but they were not obsessed. A few people
thought it should go to Buttermilk.
Andrew said he would like to see it be two blocks long and 30 vendors.
Charles Kennedy, public said possibly do an afternoon discount sale from 2-
4 in order to get rid of the product.
Jack said people enjoy finger foods such as Italian Ice.
Jori said he feels we should also have a rotating craft booth and market
booth. Jack said the times could be staggered.
Jack said the initial cost is $300. plus the business license fee of $150. He
also stated he has a list of 15 additional people that want to be in the farmers
market but the vending agreement needs to be changed.
Chris stated after the CCLC determines what they want the farmers market
to be there will be a work session with city council regarding the vending
license. There are problematic things in the current vending agreement
which refers to the "spirit of the farmers market". Chris said we should
address the list of things the farmers market wants to do. We need to be
clear as can be.
Ion said with regard to the rotating booth it should be easy enough for
somebody who doesn't have the money or the time or the product to survive
the entire summer to be able to participate.
Bill asked for clarity regarding food products, He would prefer nothing to
be sold that could be eaten or drank other than what is given away as a
sample.
Jeanette said with that in mind Italian Ice would go and Lewis Swiss
Bakery.
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Terry and other members disagreed with Bill. Bill said serving food opens
up an entire different level of health issues, competition and the entire
dynarmcs of the place.
Jon said there ~s a difference between food intended to be eaten onsite and
food that is prepared but not intended to be onsite.
Andrew said the only reason a five or six year old child wants to go to the
farmers market is to get an Italian ice. He has heard that from numerous
parents.
Jack said they intentionally had the Italian Ice man to do exactly what he is
doing. These are incidents that are called finger foods such as cotton candy.
The finger food doesn't create a problem because when it is done it does
into the trash and the streets are clean. We have talked about doing more
finger foods and they are part of the flavor of the farmers market.
Homestead beef, owner said they cook samples and people sample their
food and buy it but they would actually purchase some to eat on site if
allowed.
Bill said when you open it up to selling meals it has complications. The
restaurant association will not be in favor of this. You are also hurting other
businesses and who is going to supervise this.
Jon said possibly we should eliminate hot food and then you are simplifying
things. Italian Ice and cotton candy are things that children will want.
Jeanette Whitcomb said no matter what is being served it is her job to make
sure the product is safe.
Chris Bendon said the board needs to decide if this is going to be diverse
farmers market or is the board trying to craft a micro causing and control
over market advantage etc.
Terry said the aroma and smells of the coffee in the mr are important for the
farmers market. Possibly we should eliminate the amount of vendors selling
food for consumption.
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Bill said he has seen farmers markets turn into hamburgs, hotdogs, burritos
etc. in a hurry to overcome the flavor of the farmers market.
Jori said the board could eliminate food next year or as an appeal agency we
could review someone that wants to sell Italian Ice. A category could be set
up for food as we have done in the past and said food is prohibited except
by special review with the CCLC. It could be set up similar to the mall
lease hearing.
Jack stated that they do not want to overdo the food ~ssues. There is a
difference between finger foods and hamburgs. Possibly we could one food
prepared vendor. The bakery and Italian Ice are a success.
Jack said we need a vision as to what we want to see.
Jon said he would not want to have anything that would be conceived of as
a full-blown restaurant or serve entr5es'.
Andrew said what about someone who wants to do a fundraiser for local
people. They could use the rotating booth.
Jeannette said defining finger food is a big job.
Andrew suggested that we look at what we have and then fill in the empty
slots.
Staff said the booths are not full and numerous people have called not
wanting the expansion into another block. We need to address the issue of
getting the booths filled first.
Patrick Leto suggested the board identify what an entr6e is.
Jack suggested a staged vending agreement. The first year you set goals and
one would be to fill the existing block and have one vendor of this and two
of that and the second year expand the block and add fifteen more vendors
existing of one prepared food vendor, one arts and crafts. If you stage it that
way Chris can build it into the vending agreement now. If you expand to
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the second block you could keep a list of potential vendors and when you
get 12 open the block up. There will also be issue with the residence and
parking.
Bill said it sounds like the board wants food to be an enhancer not meals.
Jack said it would be a monumental task to administer all the crafts people.
Jon said we should prohibit entrees and then define what an entree is.
Patrick Leto said the association doesn't necessarily want someone tossing
hamburgers. They want to sell pasta. The association needs the right
merchant mix.
Patrick Leto also said the Italian Ice guy is there to present a feeling on a
hot summer day.
Jori said we should go with a percentage mix for the farmers market.
Terry also mentioned that she was in favor of the vendors selling processed
foods, Colorado grown, made and based. They also could be sampled
onsite.
Jeanette said the board is comfortable with pre-prepared foods not for onsite
consumption. The other issue is Colorado grown items and it is difficult to
determine how much of the food is Colorado grown. It would be easier to
administer if you said two prepared off site consumptions of food.
Jon said we would be better offwith percentages rather than fixed numbers.
Andrew said we should sit down and look at a model of what we would
ideally like.
Patrick Leto said we need to look a merchant mix which would be handled
by the association, the board agreed.
Jack said we only have four categories, raw vegetables, fruit, food vendors,
and crafts.
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Chris Bendon said the board wants to see a model of what we all potentially
want to see.
Jeanette said so a company in. Colorado could participate in the farmers
market. A company outside cannot. A vendor came and wanted to sell
pinion nut, which are not Colorado grown or made. The product is finished
onsite and they need to get a business license in Colorado.
Andrew said we need a sliding scale, a hierarchy, Colorado grown,
Colorado made and Colorado based. That should be the criteria,
Jack said the spirit of the farmers market enhances our community by
education of the product that an individual is purchasing.
Bill inquired about fruits and vegetables that are not available due to
weather conditions etc. Do we want to bring them in from out of state etc?
Jack said they have a concession for that particular situation; they go within
the state first and out of state number two. They have to forgo their rules on
those kinds of years. On good years it is important for the purchaser to
know that it is Colorado Farmers products.
Bill said he doesn't want to cripple the farmers market due to frost.
Jeanette said weather variables are taken care of but it is the non-native
Colorado product that we need to know if some percentage should enhance
the farmers market.
Andrew said we do not lack fruit and vegetable vendors at this moment.
Jeanette said the decision would allow the existing produce people to have a
non-native product.
The board said they were not sure where we are on that. That would allow
the nut man.
Jack said if we allowed it somebody would do it.
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Chris Bendon said for clarification the board wants to see a model before it
goes on to city council.
Staff will summarize for the next meeting.
Bill reiterated for clarification that a percentage of prepared foods for
consumption off site will be permitted. The hierarchy would be Colorado
grow, made. Food for onsite consumption can only be as an enhancement
such and the Italian Ice and Lewis Swiss Bakery. Entrees are not permitted.
Jack asked that staff address keeping city hall restroom facilities open to the
vendors.
Jeanette said we need to define the responsibilities for a co~op. They have a
job to organize ~t and they would need a managing person for the co-op.
There are tax issues etc.
Andrew said if we don't get anyone to commit we don't have the co-op.
Jon said what we want to do is have a way of addressing the very small
local person who cannot afford to commit for the summer or have the
resource or materials to.commit for the summer. The co-0p could be the
Red Brick Arts Center. Jon said he doesn't care if the co-op has arts and
crafts and produce together.
Jeanette said in her opimon the co-op needs to be committed. Jon said if
someone comes in August to do a cop-op and they pay the association and
the city that is about as far as we can go. If they invest that much they
would probably want to be in it for the long term.
Jon said the easiest issue for the restroom issue is to have city hall open.
Staff was directed to look into this for next year.
ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT
Performer Jeep Caillouet presented the board with a draft of guidelines for
performers. Staff will review the guidelines with the attorney's office. The
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board unanimously felt that a policy pamphlet should be produced for next
year indicating the areas performers are allowed to perform.
It ws agreed that performers do not need to carry insurance except those
who use knives, fire etc. It was also agreed that a permit system should not
be incorporated.
Staff relayed that it is city policy that no performers are permitted to use city
electricity and there is no amplified music allowed on the malls.
Andrew had a concern about first come first serve.
Staff relayed that the City is not liable if we are not party to the performer.
Jeep recommended that if fire is being used that a extinguisher be present on
site and the area roped off.
Enforcement will be handled by the police department regarding
recklessness and endangering individuals.
Jeep said in Key West they are required to have insurance. Jeep said he
feels the sites should be first come first serve.
Staff recommends if there are more than one performer on the mall a
rotation system should be set up.
Andrew is first come first serve is OK BUT you cannot comer market if
someone else wants to use that space. If it becomes an issue then we will
address it.
Bill said if someone is told that a specific area on the mall is there's to
perform the police need to step in.
Bill said we need to identify broadly dangerous activity.
OLYMPIC TORCH
Linda Gerdnick went over the Olympic torch route with the board and
presented a map with the routes.
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Torch runners will be mmounced at the community picnic.
Linda worked with parking etc. on the route. City council approved a
$10,000 appropriation. Wagner Park will be used and a kids mini Olympic
area. There is a $1,000 fee to be a sponsor under Salt Lake requirements.
Merchants have been very supportive. The task force meets about every
two weeks.
COMMISSIONER COMMENTS - MALL LEASES
Staffwas approached by the Grottos to discuss leaving the mall seating up
all winter. The Parks Dept. is opposed to this due to snow and ice removal
during the winter. The board agreed but as a compromise suggested that
next year the mall leases be extended another two weeks to accommodate
fall colors.
MOTION: Bill moved to adjourn,, second by Andrew. All in favor, motion
carried.
Meeting adjourned at 12:30 pm
Kathleen J. Strickland, Chi&Deputy Clerk