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HomeMy WebLinkAboutcclc.min.06012005CCLC June 1, 2005 Chairperson Bill Dinsmoor called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m. Commissioners in attendance were Stan Hajenga, Terry Butler, Don Sheeley and Shae' Singer. Mark Goodman, Marc Breslin and John Starr were excused. Stan asked when the lighting person from Rising Sun was. I would like to see the contract with the lighting guy. No one is getting any service. Don said Takah Sushi seems to be out too far. It forces you into the middle of the mall. Staff said they would look into the situation. Don also mentioned that Lush has a strange offensive odor and do we have an ordinance that regulates those issues. Don inquired about the S curve demonstration and if there was a report. Staff relayed that it was successful and there will be another one the end of July. Shea said Paul Sparks called and wants to have two dahlia's planted in the mall or somewhere in the city. They would have to be maintained. Bill said Kinder Morgan will be fixing the gas lines all summer long and he is concerned about the loss of parking. Kinder Morgan send notices out and published in both papers the schedules of what is coming down the road. Sustainable Settings Cavanangh O'Leary pointed out that the market has no produce from the Roaring Fork Valley. We recently had Wildwood School and country day visit. We educate on all of those levels. We grow and ranch lamb, eggs, broccoli, spineach, greens and potatoes. Peter Forte said they offered a counter offer if they would be certified organic they would be in the market but beyond organic is not acceptable. Cavanaugh said they do not label their food organic. Terry said change your name to not indicate that it is organic. Are you married to that name? Do not advertise as organic and you can get in the market. Mr. Levine said they were rejected in the Carbondale's farmers market because of beyond organic. Peter said the City Attorney said we have no legal basic to reject someone. Cavanaugh said the contract breaks out the booths and we want under the CCLC booths. Stan said there are too many issues regarding organic and non-organic and advertising. If you want to do an educational booth it could be under CCLC. Andrew Kole said if you do education under the non-profits maybe you could sell one product every week as part of the fund-raiser and that way you wouldn't be competing every week. That would get you in. Non-profit for fund raising. Mr. Levine said it has to be economically viable and we would not do one product each week. He said he would give up organic and go with home grown food. Peter said we would love to have a compromise. O'Leary said it is very expensive to be totally organic. We can give up the name. Mr. Levine said the meaning for organic has changed. The slow food movement is important in Aspen. Terry said there are 40 different terms for organic. If they stick and make it very clear what they are selling let them sell. In this case we are talked about a locally grown entity. The Farmers market should be about Sustainable settings. It would be a shame to not let them in. Terry said the term organic has been diluted. What means something, is that it is locally grown. Bill said my personal feeling are irrelevant. They went back to the farmers. I would not recommend that we break those roles. Shea said having tried to sell flowers through the farmers section it does often times feel heavily weighted to the Grand Junction area. With them being a local grower it is important. These people are in the valley and we have made exceptions. Don said I am tom on this. On the other hand if they are talking to the attorney and Mayor this is important to them. MOTION: Shea made the motion that CCLC allow the booth; second by Terry. Failed 3-2 No Stan, Don, Bill Yes: Shea, Terry Terry said what I see is that they have been treated unfairly and they kept trying and overrode us, so what! Allegheny pointed out that two people were not accepted and appealed to you all and you tromped our process. I have seen the history happen. There were people with more quality that were not accepted. The farmer's contract is close to expiring and will be re-written. The loop holes will be closed. The people closest to Aspen have that right to be here. 2 Allegheny pointed out that Carbondale was the potato era. There is something significant to our valley having something local. Jennifer Craig had an incredible time getting into the market but she is in. In my opinion there is an labeling issue and that is it. Don said if the two parties can't come to a common ground then we have a problem. Terry made the motion that with Peter's permission that we nominate Andrew Kole to be the arbitrator get together again and come to a compromise that can perhaps pick out the objectional things that they can be admitted to the market by the farmers group and that we as the CCLC would like you to be included and Sustainable Settings needs to give some too and not be stubborn; second by Shea. Motion died. Bill said we should have the courage to make our own decisions. Don said try to work it out. Andrew said he would work with both parties. Zocalito restaurant: Andrew said the state says it has to be contiguous. Elizabeth from CB paws said they have a sandwich board and if someone is walking they see the tables and then cross over to the center part of the mall. Tourist don't want to work too hard for things. It will cut out of the business. Terry pointed out that 15 years ago the mall was full and we are trying to re-achieve this again. Get some life in the mall. Long ago it was better than what is there now. We know what it could be like. Bill said the tables will slow people down and have people look for CB paws business. Andrew suggested to cross promote in a positive way. Staff said the owner called her and requested a tabling because she was in Denver. The new owner of the Cooking school we have three sandwiches boards all over the place which will block offthe alley. There is far too much clutter in the alley. It is more of aesthetics that is needed. One sandwich board that will promote all businesses in the alley. MOTION: Don made the motion to approve the mall lease for Zocalito; second by Stan. All in favor, motion carried. Club Chelsea: Greg Jurgenson, manager pointed out that they can't open until the real estate businesses closes. We re going to talk with them and try to work something out. MOTION: Don moved to approve the mall lease for Club Chelsea six feet out to the length of their building; second by Terry. All in favor, motion carded. Market: Allegheny said we need to draw up by-laws that are clear and that are signed into law. This year it was juried. We are an advisory group to the CCLC. We were privy to every application that came in. There was a great improvement over last year. Next year we will have even more applicants. Everything needs laid out clearly. There is nothing that says Harmony Scott can't apply to go out on the mall. The process shouldn't be opened after the process has been completed.. The farmers function in a certain way. Allegheny also pointed out that he is not against competition. The other thing that has been talked about is to have the artist commit for three years. Could the contract be good for three years. Stan said we discussed this and after the market is over we will revisit all the issues that have caused problems. There are a lot of areas that need worked on. Bill said we need to do some foundation building. Don said we can do a worksession on it. Terry said she has worked on the alleys, trash etc and one of the refreshing things about being on the board is when they pass around the jewelry and she gets to judge it and see the creativity. Andrew said he talked to both groups and they have come to an agreement. They will drop the beyond organic words. It would be an approval by CCLC subject to the farmers approval. MOTION Don made the motion that CCLC allow sustainable setting to be in the market under the caviot that it is approved by the farmers; second by Stan. Motion carried 5-0. 10:30 adjoumed. Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy City Clerk 4