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HomeMy WebLinkAboutcclc.min.06152005CCLC June 15, 2005 Chairperson Bill Dinsmoor called the meeting to order at 8:30 a.m. Commissioners in attendance were Stan Hajenga, Terry Butler, Don Sheeley, Shae' Singer, Mark Goodman, John Start and Marc Breslin. Lisa Baker: Lisa went over the Dwell architect contract and the placement of the kiosk and bike racks to be installed in the fall. Lisa mentioned that the BID meeting is to see if the businesses are willing to go forward. That meeting is scheduled for the 27th. Bill said we need to see how much money we will need from council to get the BID going. Brad Siegel, the facilitator will have that estimate. John said he would like to see a committee come out of the meeting. Bill said we have an ongoing request for lighting the mall area. Lisa said Stardoj did an initial phase with the businesses. We are presently working with the electric department to see if there is enough voltage. Stan said Stardoj said he would be back at the end of the week to look at the lighting on his building. Mark Goodman said the lighting is a two-issue problem. The gas company is laying lines and they are putting in electricity in the alleys at the same time. We need more juice on the malls in order to get more lighting. Mark said the parks department recommended someone to retrofit the existing lights. Mark said the tables and chairs on the mall are phenomenal and he would like to see more painted. John said the tables look like a city amenity if they are painted. He suggested more be painted. Lisa said Rosemary Rank painted the tables. Bill said the lighting is an issue and if"someone else" wants to take it on if council isn't behind it, that would be a suggestion to the board. Bill said being in limbo regarding the electricity is not the way to go. Lisa said she will get a report for the next meeting. Bill said he hasn't seen any electrical conduits placed down in the holes that Kinder Morgan is working on. Bill said the digging will occur all summer long. Valet Parking Tim Ware, parking supervisor Tim said the valet contract has not been signed yet. Council approved a valet program that had daytime operations in it. Council decided to contract out until the fall. There will be evening operations. Two locations were suggested, the Wheeler and the current location. Council decided only on one location by the Caribou. If the operation was handled in house Tim would need 60 days to hire people and get the program running. This is an experimental offer so it doesn't have to be bid out and ends Labor Day. We set the pricing and we can change the location throughout the summer. This is the best way to go to see if the daytime operations are viable. Don asked about advertising. People think this is an elitist thing. Tim said they are doing the signs as a public valet and they have money for advertising. It was also talked about doing valet at the Wheeler when we have large events there. Andrew Kole said you need signage from both ends of town with arrows. Don asked if the pricing is $20. Tim said the pricing was around $20. and it starts about 6 p.m. Tim said the city makes $2.50 per car and that pricing will remain the same. Shea brought up the fact that the City has way too many signs everywhere. Marc said people read both papers every day and advertising is critical. Terry said most employees have to be at work by 4:30 p.m. She suggested discounted parking for businesses. Tim said they did that with the night owl program. There is the perception that the garage isn't safe. Staffpointed out that people want to park in front of their restaurants. MOTION: John made the motion that the new city council contemplate paM parking in evenings in the summer and that it be discussed at their retreat; second by Don Sheeley. All in favor, motion carried. Shea said the valet price is $15. or $20 and if you don't choose to use it you can park your car yourself. Tim said if the price is reduced it will have to be subsidized if the city takes it on. Stan all this info has to be hashed out after the experiment is done. Tim said surveys will be sent out in the fall. Dennis Tuma: Dennis said he had his massage therapy in front of Nori's for four months last summer and it cost $20. Nori's gave him permission last year. He also does this at Aspen Mountain and Snowmass. He is requesting to be on the mall this year. He stated that he has insurance and will purchase a business license. Shea said Dennis is the ambassador for the mall. Bill said we need to discuss general services on the mall. Marc said this is not a bad thing but it opens up a can of worms. I'm on the fence. Stan said we need to do this case by case. Don suggested that we give it a try. Shea also agreed that it should be case by case. John said vendors should be chosen case by case and we need to make a policy. He is concerned about commandeering that location. Clearly there are good spaces and bad spaces to the exclusion to anyone else. Terry relayed that Dennis has a good reputation in the community. We were charged how to revitalize the mall. I vote for case by case. Mark said the massage adds to the vitality but Johns raise GOOD questions. It is not a fight. Mark pointed out that he would like to see a chestnut cart. Andrew pointed out that the location is a problem. Bill said some mall areas maybe appropriate from 8-3 but not at night. Dennis said he doesn't want a free fide. Would like to have a fee in place. I'm not married to one spot. Dennis mentioned the option of a push cart. Staff inquired about who administers the problems. Shea said some kind of lattice work between the restaurant and table might work. Casey and Dennis should work it out. The board was not in favor of a mobile mall lease. Some kind of vending agreement by location could be drawn up and a fee permit. Motion: Terry made the motion to recommend to the City Manager to allow Dennis Tuma to provide his service on the mall. This would be a case by case situation and the location can be determined. It would be a portable setup. Portable 5foot table and one umbrella and one chair. Location to be worked out and can be semi-permanent. Vending or permit agreement and a possible permit fee; second by San. All in favor, motion carried. John said this is not a mall lease and doesn't fall under a mall lease. If it has to be moved it could do so. Dennis said he is willing to work out things. Shea pointed out this is part of the Implementation plan recommended by Frick and Beer on the downtown catalyst. Insurance should be provided. Lee Cassin, Environmental Health Director went over some of the issues brought up at the last meeting by CCLC. She said the public process for deciding what is recyclable can be added to the ordinance. 3 The color of container can be added. The education piece can be added and brochures will be printed. Regarding voiding contracts, the city attomey said we can't void contracts. This issue still needs worked out. Lee was directed to look at recycling as good for the community and to make sure it happens. Franchise or districting was looked at. What would end up is that the City would take over the trash and then we have an enterprise fund but it is not a cost saving plan. It won't lower the price but it would give us total control and we could set the price. Bill asked what the cost was for recycling. The board felt that the fees are going to be a big concern. Compactor issue: Bill said there are 30 customers in the Red Onion alley. Bill suggested segregated compactors. With the increase in price and noise in the downtown he feels it will not succeed. Lee said the big challenge is combining haulers. John said haulers are out there to make money. On the ground it isn't going to work unless you have someone like Brian Flynn working with everyone. He feels it is rushing forward. Each alley is different. Problems: Multiple containers multiple pickups and multiple contracts. How do you do it quietly and allow other commerce to happen. Lee said we wilt take the time to meet with all of the businesses. John asked how much involvement do the haulers have. Lee said one alley needs one hauler. Stan asked if that is doable in three years. Lee said yes it is doable. Stan asked what the haulers want. Lee said they don't think the government should tell them what to do. Stan said his biggest complaint is noise around town. Haulers come through twice. Tourist don't want to hear the noise. If the government has to tell someone to keep the noise down let them. Bill suggested segregation of product and materials. If we have that equipment it will address traffic, noise, delivery etc. 4 As a suggestion you could outlaw all but one type of equipment. The cost would go down eventually. They would get more customers and have less employees. Bill pointed out that the hauler bills for tilt. He feels that new equipment reduces noise and the number of trucks. He also suggests that Lee meet with other organizations to see what they are doing. Terry said this is our chance to demand that we have to have compactors that recycle and the people in the alley have to use them. Meeting adjourn at 11:00 Kathleen J. Strickland, Chief Deputy Clerk 5